Soveriegn Birth?

[Logan]

O.K. I am just reposting this question from my other thread "Nevada Corps Question"

I am curious, I do not want my new daughter to receive a birth certificate or SSN, for all the statutory slavery implications. However, could the same societal acceptance be gained by setting up an LLC or C-corp for her in her name (all CAPS of course) and essentially use the new EIN instead of an SSN and she being the president, secretary and treasurer?
OR does that just sound crazy?

What I am after here, is the proper method of bringing a child into this world under GOD'S jurisdiction only! Any ideas or thoughts are appreciated.

[test]

Logan,

Check out this post from HenryBowman:

http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread...light=hospital

Rick,

I am trying to figure out how deep you want me to go into this.

Notice I didn't title it Certificate. I used Certification. "They" use "Certificate".

It is certifying the birth, but I have no need for using their words.

Another thing you raise questions on is Hospital personnel.

I have left their jaws on the floor twice, at 2 a.m., when they couldn't call the doctor to come in immediately, and they didn't have the pleasure to touch our third one.

The protocol I would follow if I ever had to interface with the Hospital is this:

1. Get out of there as soon as you feel your need for the place is over, even if you and the "doctor" don't agree on when that should be. This is usually referred to as signing out "AMA" (Against Medical Advice). I don't even think they can require you to do this, but I have done it twice just to make them feel better.

2.Don't give any information or submit to any medical procedure for you or your child that you don't believe in. This means anything. I had a doctor tell me my son could die if he didn't get a vitamin K shot, and I knew this was horse-s^#t. (no problems, no irregularities at all) They just wanted to charge us for one more thing, and I had already done the Vitamin K research, and I know that a body starts producing Vitamin K after about a week. This is one of the obvious (but not written) reasons why God told the Jews to wait until the 8th day to circumcise the boys. (They wouldn't bleed to death then.)

3. Tell them you haven't decided on a name yet. (No law requires you to surrender the name, no matter how much they pressure you.)

4. No law says you have to give them your home phone number. They will pester the crap out of you if you give it to them, so "accidentally" giving them an old number may be advantageous. Some people call that lying, but I call it lying when you give them a number and they don't tell you that they can harass you, and then they proceed to harass you.

5. Refer to Rule Number 1. (Also referred to as "Run Forrest Run!!!)

I have a WHOLE LOT more information, but again, I don't know how deep you want me to go into this.

Bottom line, Hospitals are one of the most dangerous places on earth, especially for a newborn and mother.

HB

Perhaps you can PM him.

But also take a look at this one:

http://forum.suijuris.net/showthread...t=redpilltaker

It seems that the hospitals get a nice phat check from daddy government for every registration so they will try to get it no matter what, even over all objections, also it may happen that they assign a SSN without you knowing it.

[BOBT12]

Logan, maybe this will help:

Don’t do it! Don’t sell your kids into slavery!

Read "http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?

language=english&passage=Rev.+13%3A16-18&version=NKJV", and "http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=Rev.+16%3A1-2&version=NKJV"and then section 1.8.4 of the "../../Publications/GreatIRSHoax/GreatIRSHoax.htm" and you will know that you can’t give them the Mark of the Beast and sell them into slavery without denying your Christian beliefs. As a bare minimum, let them decide if they want the number and if they conclude that they can’t survive without a number, advise them to:

1. Apply for a fictitious business name similar to their own real name with their local city. Fictitious business names can be revoked at any time. Use a PO box in a foreign country for the mailing address of the registration, so the government can’t locate the applicant. The business name should be in all capital letters, to emphasize that it is the legal you rather than the natural you.

2. Get a temporary Taxpayer ID Number (TIN) from the IRS for that temporary fictitious business name.

3. Use that business TIN to apply for all accounts and jobs they need.
Then after your kids get the job, or loan, or other account they need, cancel the business and/or the TIN also. Another approach is to change the TIN or the name of the business every couple of years! If the money they make comes under a business, then they can write off all their expenses to maintain the business, instead of subjecting all their income to taxation and to be treated as profit! If you would like detailed procedures for living successfully without a Slave Surveillance Number, then the Social Security Number Policy Manual identified below may prove useful:

http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/In...SNChildren.htm

Who has to have an SSN?


.Do I have to get an SSN? Do I have to get an SSN for my child?
The IRS says US Citizens who receive income are required to have an SSN and employers are required to report income to the IRS using the SSN. The written laws on this point are not very clear, and many people who have read the law feel that the IRS is on shaky legal ground. However, it's quite important to realize that your employer is quite likely to believe the IRS when they say it is required over your claims to have read the law and reached your own conclusions.

There are people who claim, based on nuances of the texts of the laws that these IRS claims are incorrect and illegal. They point to a single court case. As far as I can tell, these claims have not been upheld more recently. The IRS continues to prosecute and harrass those who attempt to resist having their incomes reported. I give pointers to these claims, not because I believe them, but because I can't disprove them. Caveat Lector: the IRS is willing to throw you in jail for violating their interpretation of the laws. They are willing to shoot you for resisting arrest. The have a separate court system, which follows a different set of rules and procedures. Be sure that you understand the potential consequences, and that you are willing to pay the price before you enter this fight.

Seeking agreement and moral support, not all of the people propounding these views will inform you fully of the potential consequences of joining their fight.

· Can I give up (renounce) my number?
As far as I can tell, the SSA doesn't recognize any procedure for renouncing your SSN. The one exception I know of is that a parent who can show that a number was assigned to their child without the parent's consent can get the number removed from the SSA's records.

http://famguardian.org/Publications/SSNFaq/ssn.faq.html

Other information:

http://64.233.167.104/custom?q=cache...=en&ie=UTF -8

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxe...les/USvUSA.htm

http://freedompage.home.mindspring.com/666a.htm

[Logan]

Bobt12,
Thanks, that last post was more along the lines of what I was looking for.

All: I already have the knowledge concerning the "marriage license"
and with the help of the Freedom Files, I will eventually recind the signature on the license.

You all may be interested to know that because my wife has a Doctorate in Natural Medicine, she is VERY aware of the medical "industry". We will be planning on a home water birth with the assistance of a licensed midwife. I was surprised by the above posts concerning the state licensed midwives being informants. We searched thoroughly and eventually found a great midwife, and is very agreeable with all our desires concerning a soveriegn birth. She does not like that she must answer to the medical review board, but she stated, that she will only release the information concerning our desire to not name or number our child.

I hope I am not being too naive here. In the above post, it was learned that the state will still fill out a generic birth cerficate on the informants information?
If this is true then I need to have a further discussion with my wife and the midwife. This is NOT my desire! We do need a pro on hand and we have already paid, so it would seem that a little more research is in order.

P.S. Also, I tried to call my local SSA office and cancel my contract. They were so shocked. I had to eventually speak with the manager, who informed me that I could not recind the number. The only thing I could do was APPLY for a voided number, but that even after it would be voided (which was descibed as almost impossible) the gruberment would still use it as assigned to my name.

P.S.S. I do have the info in the Freedom Files concerning the SSN. I will eventually get around to utilizing it. Has anyone else had any stories concerning the renouncing of their SSN?

Thanks All,
Logan

[test]

Well, I think the fact that she is a "licensed" midwife probably creates some obligations for her with regards to that "license" and perhpas she could even lose it if she does not "inform" of a new birth she attended.

Does she have to fill any special forms or other specific documentation?

In case she does, perhaps she can show you how they look, etc.

[BOBT12]

Hi Logan,

I am happy that you found the earlier information helpful concerning your current situation.

Here is more information on the Social Security: Mark of the Beast!:

http://famguardian.org/Publications/...curity/TOC.htm

Oh, and congratulations regarding the impending birth of your child!

Peace be unto you, and your family.

[Logan]

Hey Bob,
Thank you for your support. I have mixed feelings about my lifes impending change concerning the baby, but overall I am anxious.

It is a concern of mine that I of all people, knowing what I know, have brought another soul into this lucifer controlled country, but overall, life is more important than government greed and corruption. I only hope I can give her a better foundation than her other peers will have.

I am already familiar with family guardian and have done some research, but that site is HUGE. I have to take it in strides.

Thanks again,
Logan

Be anxious and careful for nothing! Sounds like you are doing all you can do. Enjoy your baby daughter. Wealth and riches are in the house of the rightious!

[TheBlackTruth]

Using an LLC DBA in your own name is a good idea for a variety of reasons. I've been researching the idea for a little while now.

As far as birth certificates, There is a good package (Certificate of Live Birth) available at ICR's website: Certificate of Live Birth

-B. Truth

[Logan]

Thanks The Black Truth,

That is a really great option. I think it is a little expensive but not too bad if you think of it as an investment.

Using an LLC DBA in your own name is a good idea for a variety of reasons

I was curious concerning this method. It would essentially be doing the same thing the grubment does when you are born, but you would retain control. I would love to hear more.

I am grateful for all your responses, this is more than enough information to choose from on this matter.

Thanks