Is the ALL CAPS name, in fact, the name of a trust?

[netwrkranger]

The reason I ask this is because of several reasons:

- "Your" name is registered by birth certificate by way of an application (for benefits).
- Your parents are the settlor in the whole affair.
- The government is the trustee of the property (you).
- You are the beneficiary of the birth certificate registration.

The birth certificate is in turn used for application and registration for additional services such as schooling, passports, etc.

In effect, the birth certificate is a public trust. It is registered, certified, and maintained by the trustee. Trustee retains legal title. Beneficiary has equitable title.

Could this be one of many reasons why that citizen does not have access to a court at law? Trusts are creatures of equity jurisdiction.

I'll do some more digging, but I am interested in any and all opinions and information on this matter.

I'm expecting to dig up some real gems from Am. Jur. and 'Words and Phrases'. I imagine digging through state statutes will reap pay dirt as well.

- netwrkranger

[Dillon Hunt]

Appoint any magistrate the new trustee with irs form 56. A w-9 along with it.

Now the magistrate can't hear any case against you, conflict of interest.
If the magistrate acts like the trustee he or she becomes the trustee by their actions.

See: http://sedm.org/Forms/Tax/Form56/AboutIRSForm56.htm

[aksis]

netwrkranger;

Two things,

1st: Take a look at the definition of the term implied [resulting] trust:

From Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856) [bouvier]:

RESULTING TRUSTS, estates. Resulting, implied or constructive trusts, are
those which arise in cases where it would be contrary to the principles of
equity that be in whom the property becomes vested, should hold it otherwise
than as a trustee. 2 Atk. 150.
2. As an illustration of this description of a resulting trust, may be
mentioned the case of a contract made for the purchase of a real estate; on
the completion of the contract, a trust immediately results to the
purchaser, and the vendor becomes a trustee for him till the conveyance of
the legal estate is made. Again, when an estate is purchased in the name of
one person, and the purchase money is paid by another, there is a resulting
trust in favor of the person who gave or paid the consideration. Willis on
Tr. 55; 1 Cruise, Dig. tit. 12, s. 40, 41; Ch. Ca. 39; 9 Mod. 78; 7 Ves.
725; 3 Hen. & Munf. 367; 1 Supp. to Ves. jr. 11; Pow. Mortg. Index, h.t.; 2
John. Ch. R. 409, 450; 3 Bibb, R. 15, 506; 4 Munf. R. 222; 1 John. Ch. Rep.
450, 582; Sugd. on Vend. ch. 15, s. 2 Cox, Ch. Rep. 93; Bac. Ab. Trusts, C;
Bouv. last. Index, h.t. Vide Trusts; Use.


TRUST, contracts, devises. An equitable right, title or interest in
property, real or personal, distinct from its legal ownership; or it is a
personal obligation for paying, delivering or performing anything, where the
person trusting has no real. right or security, for by, that act he confides
altogether to the faithfulness of those entrusted. This is its most general
meaning, and includes deposits, bailments, and the like. In its more
technical sense, it may be defined to be an obligation upon a person,
arising out of a confidence reposed in him, to apply property faithfully,
and according to such confidence. Willis on Trustees, 1; 4 Kent, Com. 295; 2
Fonb. Eq. 1; 1 Saund. Uses and Tr. 6; Coop. Eq. Pl. Introd. 27; 3 Bl. Com.
431.
2. Trusts were probably derived from the civil law. The fidei
commissum, (q.v.) is not dissimilar to a trust.
3. Trusts are either express or implied. 1st. Express trusts are those
which are created in express terms in the deed, writing or will. The terms
to create an express trust will be sufficient, if it can be fairly collected
upon the face of the instrument that a trust was intended. Express trusts
are usually found in preliminary sealed agreements, such as marriage
articles, or articles for the purchase of land; in formal conveyances, such
as marriage settlements, terms for years, mortgages, assignments for the
payment of debts, raising portions or other purposes; and in wills and
testaments, when the bequests involve fiduciary interests for private
benefit or public charity,, they may be created even by parol. 6 Watts &
Serg. 97.
4.-2d. Implied trusts are those which without being expressed, are
deducible from the nature of the transaction, as matters of intent; or which
are superinduced upon the transaction by operation of law, as matters of
equity, independently of the particular intention of the parties.
5. The most common form of an implied trust is where property or money
is delivered by one person to another, to be by the latter delivered to a
third person. These implied trusts greatly extend over the business and
pursuits of men: a few examples will be given.
6. When land is purchased by one man in the name of another, and the
former pays the consideration money, the land will in general be held by the
grantee in Trust for the person who so paid the consideration money. Com.
Dig. Chancery, 3 W 3; 2 Fonb. Eq. book 2, c. 5, Sec. 1, note a. Story, Eq.
Jur. Sec. 1201.
7. When real property is purchased out of partnership funds, and the
title is taken in the name of one of the partners, he will hold it in trust
for all the partners. 7 Ves. jr. 453; Montague on Partn. 97, n.; Colly.
Partn. 68.
8. When a contract is made for the sale of land, in equity the vendor
is immediately deemed a trustee for the vendee of the estate; and the
vendee, a trustee for the vendor of the purchase money; and by this means
there is an equitable conversion of the property. 1 Fonb. Eq. book 1, ch. 6,
Sec. 9, note t; Story, Eq. Jur. SSSS 789, 790, 1212. See Conversion. For the
origin of trusts in the civil law, see 5 Toull. Dr. Civ. Fr. liv. 3, t. 2,
c. 1, n. 18; 1 Brown's Civ. Law, 190. Vide Resulting Trusts. See, generally,
Bouv. Inst. Index, h.t.

2nd: Take a look at this thread and the attachments in David Merril's first post, it is an/the "implied trust" rendered into an "express trust", (and you may also find the discussion that arises in this thread around it entertaining):

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/asset-...trust+template

Magnamanously,

Christopher Theodore: Rhodes

[David Merrill]

That General Public Trust was coming to mind. Thanks for linking it. I have said the name on the birth certificate is the suggested trust name, but thinking about it in terms of the opening questions here, I think it more appropriate that the legal name evidences one to be a benificiary of a general public cestui que trust established under Article VI of the Constitution.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

...I think it more appropriate that the legal name evidences one to be a benificiary of a general public cestui que trust established under Article VI of the Constitution.
Regards,
David Merrill.

David: Are you suggesting that due to this cestui que trust,
each man and woman would then be recognized as a 'person', and by reason of that official recognition, they likewise become 'employees' of the government..? Or am I looking in the wrong direction to what you are actually suggesting?

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

[fulltitle]

Without Prejudice.
Stop.



Look at a birth certificate.

What is the 'address' of the persons named thereon?

What is the nature of the issuer? Is it a man? A municipal corporation? A trust? A state?

What kind of paper is it on and why? Who is the issuer?

What does registration mean?



Is it really yours?

Who told you that your name is on it? Why?

What proof do you have that any information on the birth certificate has anything to do with you?



Does a birth certificate have anything to do with a baby coming forth from a woman's s womb?



What is a birth?

What is an actuary? What do actuaries do?

What does vital mean?

What is a vital statistic?

Why not write the organization that issued it and ask?

[netwrkranger]

Thank-you everyone for your contributions and suggestions.

What are some ways or methods of dissolving, de-registering the trust known as the SSN?

Sidenote: look forward to a new thread on Common Law, courtesy of what I've learned from George Gordon. It has the potential to be just as EPIC as the past threads on Common Law.....ROFL.


Regards,
netwrkranger

[David Merrill]

That's easy. Stop saying it and quit writing it down.

Then you no longer have a SSN. Have you ever noticed how you have to say it or write it down in order for it to be yours? Suppose you say, "You already have my SSN." The clerk will say he needs to verify it - tell it to him again.

Believe me. I got this from the SSA. Once you quit writing it and saying it, when somebody asks you for your SSN say, "I do not have a SSN." True.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[netwrkranger]

I would continue to follow it up with a notice to the agencies of my intent to cease participation in SS as well as all its benefits.

A little bit of administration for defense in any future controversy =D.

- netwrkranger

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by netwrkranger

I would continue to follow it up with a notice to the agencies of my intent to cease participation in SS as well as all its benefits.

A little bit of administration for defense in any future controversy =D.

- netwrkranger

And I assert that is nothing more than verification you have a SSN.


Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S. A credit union with a drawn $4K line of credit - when I got rid of my SSN this way I told them to remove it from my account. They closed the account without a word. - Except a few months later they phoned my Dad and asked if he would give them my SSN.