Sovereign IDS

[Notorial dissent]

Notaries are NOT and never have been officers of the court, they are commissioned by the executive branch of most states, generally the secretary of state, sometimes the Governor of the state.

Fulltitle, I am not mistaken nor lying about anything I have said or presented to date, and I never said

1) consular/embassy seals, 2) notarial seals, 3) diplomatic legalisation, 4) diplomatic authentication, 5) seals of clerks of the court, 6) seals of secretaries of state (which notarial seals might in some states be extensions of), 7) signatures or seals in general.

were useless, they all have specific purposes and places of use, that they aren’t the ones you want them to be isn’t my problem. In general, documents are issued under seal to certify their authenticity, that they were issued by the authorized office. A court seal verifies that the document came from a court, etc. under the presumption that an unauthorized person would not have access to the seal.

I do not know where you found that Brooke’s quote, but much of it is questionable. A Notary does not have the legal authority to do anything more than take act as an official witness to documents. They can say and certify in an official capacity that a certain person, properly identified by them, according to the laws of the state wherein they reside, signed a given document to which they have attached their signature and seal. They can make no other statements as to the document or the document’s validity. They can make certified copies of certain documents, but only certain documents as specified by law. They can take oaths or affirmations, which are basically a statement under oath regarding to some matter. Their signature and seal grants no special value to the oath or affirmation, other than that it was signed in their presence under oath by the person signing the document. They can at a later date certify that the person in question came before them and signed a given document and that their signature and seal is on the document. The only actions a notary can take currently on financial documents is a protest on a bill of exchange that has not been paid when submitted for payment, and then they only issue a certificate stating the BOE was not paid, and it is usually in a format as prescribed by their state, and this is being phased out in many states as BOE’s are largely unused in modern commerce. A notary is not allowed at any time to prepare or create for someone, any kind of document, for their signature, and in fact are specifically banned from doing so.

Significant weight attaches to documents certified by notaries. Documents certified by notaries are sealed with the notary's seal or stamp and are recorded by the notary in a register (also called a "protocol") maintained and permanently kept by him or her. These are known as "notarial acts".

This is largely untrue. In general, the only documents a notary is required to keep record of are property transactions, and not all jurisdictions require this. The only significance is that the signer has been verified or has made the oath or affirmation, as is required by law.

As I said, documents are generally sealed to verify authority, a driver’s licensed is issued by the issuing agency under the authority granted them by law and the seal verifies the authenticity, as does a birth certificate indicate it is a true copy by the seal embossed on it. What they verify is determined by that state’s laws.

I said, that I had worked for over twenty years in the financial field. My view of reality is quite clear thank you. I am an independent contractor and have no problem in taking money from people to clean up the messes they themselves made, and not make the same ones myself by knowing what the rules and requirements for a given situation happen to be.

shrinkwrapped I’m not sure exactly what you are trying to say. It is not a question of truth, or your word, it is merely a matter of what the law says is an acceptable ID, and a notarized statement does not constitute one. What a notary can and cannot do is very narrowly defined and spelled out in the statutes authorizing them to act. They cannot be made into something they are not. A notary is a commissioned, state sanctioned official witness to documents, nothing more.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk

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You cannot own the air or the land you walk..

We have been born into slavery, and only those who have woken up from this dreamworld can see it.

As for posessing gold, perhaps that's a good idea, but then you have to remember,
who has the monopoly and sets the standard...
plus the system THEY have set up does not accept it as a means of payment or barter or exchange...

Bulletproof

I'm sorry BP, but i need to object to the excerpted paragraphs above.

WE are BORN free on the land; even if it's federally owned land!

Involuntary Slavery (IS) has supposedly been abolished in the Federal Zones
and if we continue to use their fictions to prove so, then IS has also been
abolished in the states.

Biblically, this is easily shown by referring to Genesis 1 where God lists
what Man is to have dominion over and people are NOT included in that list.

Involuntary Ownership of people is verbooten according to the the Constitutions
and all courts.

and private contracts which are repugnant to those organic laws and decisions of
court are also void ab initio.


Be well.

[meanone]

Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk

Some valid points, but,

As I mentioned to the Notary the other day when he asked me the same question..where do you get the authority to call yourself sovereign?..

I told him I did not require any other authority other than my own, being the only one with true and absolute subject matter juristiction to make such a determination.

As supreme authority, I have the right to, or not to establish rules and regulations, to organise myself etc..

I have not said that I won't establish those things...merely that It is my right to do so, when and if I see fit.

As for the use of things like govt issued paperwork, schools, hospitals, roads etc..these are all common rights that we are entitled to, not privilidges.

It merely has become through fraud, co-ersion, threat, and monopoly, that we must enter their matrix to access our god given rights.

This is neither admitting defeat, nor stealing, it is returning the source that has been re-sourced from us. They are the ones stealing..make no mistake, and we are forced by fear to accept, under duress that which is already ours.

You cannot own the air or the land you walk..

We have been born into slavery, and only those who have woken up from this dreamworld can see it.

As for posessing gold, perhaps that's a good idea, but then you have to remember, who has the monopoly and sets the standard...plus the system THEY have set up does not accept it as a means of payment or barter or exchange...

Bulletproof

Don't forget; "one" is an opinion, "two" is a certification and "three" is an authorization. You will never survive by yourself!

As long as you don't hurt/damage others, pay your taxes, "they" will leave you alone. Yes, you are "sovereign" in your thoughts. Just like everybody else. You were born "free" but 45 days after your birth, your birth certificate was captured (because you didn't claim it) and was sold.

Government issued papers are all faulty. If you look at a Canadian citizenship card, it has "half" of a Canadian flag on it. The Minister of Citizenship and the The Honorable Vic Toews Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada is also silent about it. Not a peep for months now.

If nobody pay taxes, who will pay for the roads, hospitals, etc? When you say "we are entitled to..." who is the "we"?

I agree; there is fraud, scam and stealing in the present system but they exist because the human greed. Everybody is looking for an "edge" over the other. This is where the quote that is on the top of the page "comes in".
Know thyself!

As I stated before, if you decide to call yourself "sovereign", (it is a very lonely road) you must have gold, silver.

I am not implying this quote to you but something to ponder.
"There is nothing more manipulated than a manipulated mind that thinks it's free."
-- David Icke


"Nd"
I agree 100% with your comments about notaries and thank you for them.
The negative comments about you by other members are not appreciated. Superficial people always attack the circumstances (real or not) of the individual. Don't stop because of them!

[Bulletproof Monk]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

Notaries are NOT and never have been officers of the court, they are commissioned by the executive branch of most states, generally the secretary of state, sometimes the Governor of the state.

Notaries here in Australia (except Queensland) get their Authority from the Supreme Court.

Queensland Notaries still get their authority direct from England, (from the Archbishop of Canterbury I think)

BPM

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

A notary is a commissioned, state sanctioned official witness to documents, nothing more.

Without Prejudice.
I dont think anyone is thinking a notary is anything more than that. I think *you* are the one making the presumption.

As a matter of fact, "credentials" I've shown "cops" aren't even notarized. However, State actors must give notarized documents more weight/credence because notary seal *IS* a seal of the State and/or County. The Notary is witness for the State.

Its obvious that a notary doesnt prove anything in the document. But see, the burden of proof is on YOU or someone else to disprove what I have declared, sworn or the like. If I were carrying around a State of X License, then perhaps they could rightfully presume things they ought not presume--the burden of proof to the contrary might then be on me disprove? However, my own credentials say what they say they cannot presume--the burden of proof is on THEM.

The Notary serves as a link between the organic and the State. See, you are right. What gives the notarized document power is the autograph or signature that *I* place on the document.

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by meanone

If nobody pay taxes, who will pay for the roads, hospitals, etc? When you say "we are entitled to..." who is the "we"?

Without Prejudice.
For the most part taxes are not to pay for government services. To fund government services, bonds are issued which then underwrite issuance of currency/funds. Completion of the project *IS* payment. Its the same kind of errance thinking that people have that spend $10.00 on a computer keyboard and think they are OUT $10.00. They arent out jack because they have $10 worth of keyboard. It zeroes out. $4,000,000 in currency goes out to fund a road project based on *future* performance. The $4,000,000 issued represents the debt of the State or Municipality to perform. Completion is performance or payment.

I agree; there is fraud, scam and stealing in the present system but they exist because the human greed. Everybody is looking for an "edge" over the other. This is where the quote that is on the top of the page "comes in".

That's perhaps because so many folks might be ignorant igornant about economics and about who they are. Its interesting that banking was primarily for slaves.

As I stated before, if you decide to call yourself "sovereign", (it is a very lonely road) you must have gold, silver.

Ever wonder if those gold or silver stores might in trust for you?

I am not implying this quote to you but something to ponder.
"There is nothing more manipulated than a manipulated mind that thinks it's free."
-- David Icke

How about: "Now where there spirit of the Lord is there is liberty." Cor 3:17?

I agree 100% with your comments about notaries and thank you for them.
The negative comments about you by other members are not appreciated. Superficial people always attack the circumstances (real or not) of the individual. Don't stop because of them!

He/she might be saying some truth. But he/she comes off as being a bit snobbish and rude. Besides, who even implied that a notarization had a super-duper magic meaning?

[Notorial dissent]

Full title,

State actors must give notarized documents more weight/credence because notary seal *IS* a seal of the State and/or County. The Notary is witness for the State.

Where do you come up with this? A Notary seal imparts no more significance to a document than that the document’s was signer was verified. The only thing a Notary certifies is that John Doe signed the document in their presence and was known by them to be John Doe. The fact that a document has been notarized does not give it any more standing than any other piece of paper, EXCEPT that the signer has been verified to be the person signing the document.

Your signature on a notarized document grants it no particular authority unless it is something within your power to grant. Your signature on your notarized power of attorney grants that power to act to another party. Your notarized signature on a property deed to property you don’t own means exactly nothing, notarized or not.

The main purpose of notarization is that if at some later date, someone challenges some action you took in court, a contract, power of attorney, deed transfer etc, and the document was notarized, then that the notarization acts as presumptive proof that the document was signed by the person signing it.

[fulltitle]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

Full title, Where do you come up with this? A Notary seal imparts no more significance to a document than that the document’s was signer was verified. The only thing a Notary certifies is that John Doe signed the document in their presence and was known by them to be John Doe. The fact that a document has been notarized does not give it any more standing than any other piece of paper, EXCEPT that the signer has been verified to be the person signing the document.

Your signature on a notarized document grants it no particular authority unless it is something within your power to grant. Your signature on your notarized power of attorney grants that power to act to another party. Your notarized signature on a property deed to property you don’t own means exactly nothing, notarized or not.

The main purpose of notarization is that if at some later date, someone challenges some action you took in court, a contract, power of attorney, deed transfer etc, and the document was notarized, then that the notarization acts as presumptive proof that the document was signed by the person signing it.

Without Prejudice.
He/she is arguing with himself/herself and making up both sides of his/her argument. A notary acts as a witness.

Documents acknowledged before a notary public have the evidentiary weight with respect to their due execution.

[meanone]

Originally Posted by Notorial dissent

Full title, Where do you come up with this? A Notary seal imparts no more significance to a document than that the document’s was signer was verified. The only thing a Notary certifies is that John Doe signed the document in their presence and was known by them to be John Doe. The fact that a document has been notarized does not give it any more standing than any other piece of paper, EXCEPT that the signer has been verified to be the person signing the document.

Your signature on a notarized document grants it no particular authority unless it is something within your power to grant. Your signature on your notarized power of attorney grants that power to act to another party. Your notarized signature on a property deed to property you don’t own means exactly nothing, notarized or not.

The main purpose of notarization is that if at some later date, someone challenges some action you took in court, a contract, power of attorney, deed transfer etc, and the document was notarized, then that the notarization acts as presumptive proof that the document was signed by the person signing it.

Great article "Nd"

[meanone]

You can't be an island in this world. If you are alone, you die. Simple. In order for an individual to survive he/she must be in and organized group. As I stated before, all higher species survive in groups. The "outcast" always dies before its time.
Anyone who is "yapping" that "I am sovereign" "I declare myself sovereign", etc. is nothing but hot air. "They" might just give you a lifeboat from the ship's inventory (that you are on) and let you loose in the middle of the ocean. You will have a few days to think about, contemplate your "sovereignty" before you die.

Symbolically, you are on a ship and you have a cabin. The way you arrange your cabin is up to you as long as you comply with ship's regulations. You also have assigned tasks/work on the ship. If you start "drilling" holes on the bottom of the ship, it will sink if they don't catch you before.
You also can be a passenger. Passengers have cabins, use the services that are offered but they don't have a say in the operation of the ship and they must pay for the services they receive. That include all medical services, social services, etc. and no "dipping"/steeling. You are a sovereign, I mean a passenger. Do you have gold/silver to pay for the services?

Obviously, there is no time here to explain everything but I am sure everyone gets the idea from the illustrations above. The lesson to learn is that don't act out of anger and hate. Think (cool off) before you do anything and try to look at both sides.