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Old 09-09-2004, 10:21 AM
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BT,



Sa-WEET !



I had this topic scheduled for research next week...



Thanks for the jump start... and always... for SHARING ! you just saved me a few hours work!!



I have a hunting / fishing camp on a lake that has been in my family since the 1870's.. I sure would hate to lose it because of alledged back child support based on a fraudulent judgement that can and will be voided !



Ya know... me thinks... with 1700 + members on the forum... if each of us only did ONE HOUR of research A WEEK.... we could ALL have a serious handle on the gubment in a few short months...



Rather than have 40-50 do many hours of research, so the other 1650 can apply what the 50 have discovered.



Can you spare one hour a week?



okay, the pep talk is over.... back to work... lol



Thanks again BT



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EXCELLENT IDEA -- Akira! It goes back to the old adage of -- which would you prefer -- 1% of 100 people's effort or 100% effort of one person.



Makes sense!



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<font color=darkblue face=tahoma>It is my pleasure, Akira. I'm glad you can make some use of it. I have about 50 more case cites to add, but my hands got tired. I made the same post on the Land Patents thread since it's more appropriately placed there. From here on out, i will make any updates on THAT thread, so check there in about a day or so. From what i've read, those will be enough court cases that a well-trained monkey could walk in to court and win.



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I thought this would an interesting thing to read. I know the question that will come out of this post will be, "what corporation?"



TITLE 12 > CHAPTER 11A > Sec. 1454.



Sec. 1454. - Purchase and sale of mortgages; residential mortgages; conventional mortgages; terms and conditions of sale or other disposition; authority to enter into, perform, and carry out transactions





(a) Authority for purchase and sale; residential mortgages; conventional mortgages; terms and conditions of sale or other disposition; lending activities





(1)



The Corporation is authorized to purchase, and make commitments to purchase, residential mortgages. The Corporation may hold and deal with, and sell or otherwise dispose of, pursuant to commitments or otherwise, any such mortgage or interest therein. The operations of the Corporation under this section shall be confined so far as practicable to residential mortgages which are deemed by the Corporation to be of such quality, type, and class as to meet generally the purchase standards imposed by private institutional mortgage investors. The Corporation may establish requirements, and impose charges or fees, which may be regarded as elements of pricing, for different classes of sellers or servicers, and for such purposes the Corporation is authorized to classify sellers or servicers according to type, size, location, assets, or, without limitation on the generality of the foregoing, on such other basis or bases of differentiation as the Corporation may consider necessary or appropriate to effectuate the purposes or provisions of this chapter. The Corporation may specify requirements concerning among other things,



(A)



minimum net worth;



(



supervisory mechanisms;



(C)



warranty compensation mechanisms;



(D)



prior approval of facilities;



(E)



prior origination and servicing experience with respect to different types of mortgages;



(F)



capital contributions and substitutes;



(G)



mortgage purchase volume limits; and



(H)



reduction of mortgage purchases during periods of borrowing. With respect to any particular type of seller, the Corporation shall not be required to make available programs involving prior approval of mortgages, optional delivery of mortgages, and purchase of other than conventional mortgages to an extent greater than the Corporation elects to make such programs available to other types of eligible sellers. Any requirements specified by the Corporation pursuant to the preceding three sentences must bear a rational relationship to the purposes or provisions of this chapter, but will not be considered discriminatory solely on the grounds of differential effects on types of eligible sellers. Insofar as is practicable, the Corporation shall make reasonable efforts to encourage participation in its programs by each type of eligible seller. Nothing in this section authorizes the Corporation to impose any charge or fee upon any mortgagee approved by the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for participation in any mortgage insurance program under the National Housing Act (12 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) solely because of such status.



(2)



No conventional mortgage secured by a property comprising one- to four-family dwelling units shall be purchased under this section if the outstanding principal balance of the mortgage at the time of purchase exceeds 80 per centum of the value of the property securing the mortgage, unless



(A)



the seller retains a participation of not less than 10 per centum in the mortgage;



(



for such period and under such circumstances as the Corporation may require, the seller agrees to repurchase or replace the mortgage upon demand of the Corporation in the event that the mortgage is in default; or



(C)



that portion of the unpaid principal balance of the mortgage which is in excess of such 80 per centum is guaranteed or insured by a qualified insurer as determined by the Corporation. The Corporation shall not issue a commitment to purchase a conventional mortgage prior to the date the mortgage is originated, if such mortgage is eligible for purchase under the preceding sentence only by reason of compliance with the requirements of clause (A) of such sentence. The Corporation may purchase a conventional mortgage which was originated more than one year prior to the purchase date only if the seller is the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Resolution Trust Corporation, the National Credit Union Administration, or any other seller currently engaged in mortgage lending or investing activities. With respect to any transaction in which a seller contemporaneously sells mortgages originated more than one year old prior to the date of sale to the Corporation and receives in payment for such mortgages securities representing undivided interests only in those mortgages, the Corporation shall not impose any fee or charge upon an eligible seller which is not a member of a Federal Home Loan Bank which differs from that imposed upon an eligible seller which is such a member. The Corporation shall establish limitations governing the maximum original principal obligation of conventional mortgages that are purchased by it; in any case in which the Corporation purchases a participation interest in such a mortgage, the limitation shall be calculated with respect to the total original principal obligation of the mortgage and not merely with respect to the interest purchased by the Corporation. Such limitations shall not exceed $93,750 for a mortgage secured by a single-family residence, $120,000 for a mortgage secured by a two-family residence, $145,000 for a mortgage secured by a three-family residence, and $180,000 for a mortgage secured by a four-family residence, except that such maximum limitations shall be adjusted effective January 1 of each year beginning with 1981. Each such adjustment shall be made by adding to each such amount (as it may have been previously adjusted) a percentage thereof equal to the percentage increase during the twelve-month period ending with the previous October in the national average one-family house price in the monthly survey of all major lenders conducted by the Federal Housing Finance Board. The foregoing limitations may be increased by not to exceed 50 per centum with respect to properties located in Alaska, Guam, Hawaii, and the Virgin Islands.



(3)



The sale or other disposition by the Corporation of a mortgage under this section may be with or without recourse, and shall be upon such terms and conditions relating to resale, repurchase, guaranty, substitution, replacement, or otherwise as the Corporation may prescribe.



(4)





(A)



The Corporation is authorized to purchase, service, sell, lend on the security of, and otherwise deal in



(i)



residential mortgages that are secured by a subordinate lien against a one- to four-family residence that is the principal residence of the mortgagor; and



(ii)



residential mortgages that are secured by a subordinate lien against a property comprising five or more family dwelling units. If the Corporation shall have purchased, serviced, sold, or otherwise dealt with any other outstanding mortgage secured by the same residence, the aggregate original amount of such other mortgage and the mortgage authorized to be purchased, serviced, sold, or otherwise dealt with under this paragraph shall not exceed the applicable limitation determined under paragraph (2).



(



The Corporation shall establish limitations governing the maximum original principal obligation of such mortgages. In any case in which the Corporation purchases a participation interest in such a mortgage, the limitation shall be calculated with respect to the total original principal obligation of such mortgage secured by a subordinate lien and not merely with respect to the interest purchased by the Corporation. Such limitations shall not exceed



(i)



with respect to mortgages described in subparagraph (A)(i), 50 per centum of the single-family residence mortgage limitation determined under paragraph (2); and



(ii)



with respect to mortgages described in subparagraph (A)(ii), the applicable limitation determined under paragraph (2).



(C)



No subordinate mortgage against a one- to four-family residence shall be purchased by the Corporation if the total outstanding indebtedness secured by the property as a result of such mortgage exceeds 80 per centum of the value of such property unless



(i)



that portion of such total outstanding indebtedness that exceeds such 80 per centum is guaranteed or insured by a qualified insurer as determined by the Corporation;



(ii)



the seller retains a participation of not less than 10 per centum in the mortgage; or



(iii)



for such period and under such circumstances as the Corporation may require, the seller agrees to repurchase or replace the mortgage upon demand of the Corporation in the event that the mortgage is in default. The Corporation shall not issue a commitment to purchase a subordinate mortgage prior to the date the mortgage is originated, if such mortgage is eligible for purchase under the preceding sentence only by reason of compliance with the requirements of clause (iii) of such sentence.



(5)



The Corporation is authorized to lend on the security of, and to make commitments to lend on the security of, any mortgage that the Corporation is authorized to purchase under this section. The volume of the Corporation's lending activities and the establishment of its loan ratios, interest rates, maturities, and charges or fees in its secondary market operations under this paragraph, shall be determined by the Corporation from time to time; and such determinations shall be consistent with the objectives that the lending activities shall be conducted on such terms as will reasonably prevent excessive use of the Corporation's facilities, and that the operations of the Corporation under this paragraph shall be within its income derived from such operations and that such operations shall be fully self-supporting. The Corporation shall not be permitted to use its lending authority under this paragraph (A) to advance funds to a mortgage seller on an interim basis, using mortgage loans as collateral, pending the sale of the mortgages in the secondary market; or



(



to originate mortgage loans. Notwithstanding any Federal, State, or other law to the contrary, the Corporation is hereby empowered, in connection with any loan under this paragraph, whether before or after any default, to provide by contract with the borrower for the settlement or extinguishment, upon default, of any redemption, equitable, legal, or other right, title, or interest of the borrower in any mortgage or mortgages that constitute the security for the loan; and with respect to any such loan, in the event of default and pursuant otherwise to the terms of the contract, the mortgages that constitute such security shall become the absolute property of the Corporation.



(b) Authority of other institutions to enter into, perform, and carry out transactions







Notwithstanding any other law, authority to enter into and to perform and carry out any transactions or matter referred to in this section is conferred on any Federal home loan bank, the Resolution Trust Corporation, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the National Credit Union Administration, any Federal savings and loan association, any Federal home loan bank member, and any other financial institution the deposits or accounts of which are insured by an agency of the United States to the extent that Congress has the power to confer such authority.



(c) Prior approval of Secretary for new programs







The Corporation may not implement any new program (as such term is defined in section 4502 of this title) before obtaining the approval of the Secretary under section 4542 of this title



TITLE 12 > CHAPTER 11A > Sec. 1451.

Sec. 1451. - Definitions





As used in this chapter -

(a)



The term ''Board of Directors'' means the Board of Directors of the Corporation.



(b)



The term ''Corporation'' means the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation created by this chapter.



(c)



The term ''law'' includes any law of the United States or of any State (including any rule of law or of equity).



(d)



The term ''mortgage'' includes such classes of liens as are commonly given or are legally effective to secure advances on, or the unpaid purchase price of, real estate under the laws of the State in which the real estate is located or a manufactured home that is personal property under the laws of the State in which the manufactured home is located together with the credit instruments, if any, secured thereby, and includes interests in mortgages.



(e)



The term ''organization'' means any corporation, partnership, association, business trust, or business entity.



(f)



The term ''prescribe'' means to prescribe by regulations or otherwise.



(g)



The term ''property'' includes any property, whether real, personal, mixed, or otherwise, including without limitation on the generality of the foregoing choses in action and mortgages, and includes any interest in any of the foregoing.



(h)



The term ''residential mortgage'' means a mortgage which



(1)



is a mortgage on real estate, in fee simple or under a leasehold having such term as may be prescribed by the Corporation, upon which there is located a structure or structures designed in whole or in part for residential use, or which comprises or includes one or more condominium units or dwelling units (as defined by the Corporation) and



(2)



has such characteristics and meets such requirements as to amount, term, repayment provisions, number of families, status as a lien on such real estate, and otherwise, as may be prescribed by the Corporation. The term ''residential mortgage'' also includes a loan or advance of credit insured under title I of the National Housing Act (12 U.S.C. 1702 et seq.) whose original proceeds are applied for in order to finance energy conserving improvements, or the addition of a solar energy system, to residential real estate. The term ''residential mortgage'' also includes a loan or advance of credit for such purposes, or purchased from any public utility carrying out activities in accordance with the requirements of title II of the National Energy Conservation Policy Act (42 U.S.C. 8211 et seq.) if the residential mortgage to be purchased is a loan or advance of credit the original proceeds of which are applied for in order to finance the purchase and installation of residential energy conservation measures (as defined in section 210(11) [1] of the National Energy Conservation Policy Act) in residential real estate, not having the benefit of such insurance and includes loans made where the lender relies for purposes of repayment primarily on the borrower's general credit standing and forecast of income, with or without other security. The term ''residential mortgage'' is also deemed to include a secured loan or advance of credit the proceeds of which are intended to finance the rehabilitation, renovation, modernization, refurbishment, or improvement of properties as to which the Corporation may purchase a ''residential mortgage'' as defined under the first sentence of this subsection. Such term shall also include other secured loans that are secured by a subordinate lien against a property as to which the Corporation may purchase a residential mortgage as defined under the first sentence of this subsection. A ''secured loan or advance of credit'' is one in which a security interest is taken in the rehabilitated, renovated, modernized, refurbished, or improved property. Such term shall also include a mortgage, lien, or other security interest on the stock or membership certificate issued to a tenant-stockholder or resident-member by a cooperative housing corporation, as defined in section 216 of title 26, and on the proprietary lease, occupancy agreement, or right of tenancy in the dwelling unit of the tenant-stockholder or resident-member in such cooperative housing corporation. The term ''residential mortgage'' also includes a loan or advance of credit secured by a mortgage or other lien on a manufactured home that is the principal residence of the borrower, without regard to whether the security property is real, personal, or mixed.



(i)



The term ''conventional mortgage'' means a mortgage other than a mortgage as to which the Corporation has the benefit of any guaranty, insurance or other obligation by the United States or any of its agencies or instrumentalities.



(j)



The term ''security'' has the meaning ascribed to it by section 77b of title 15.



(k)



The term ''State'', whether used as a noun or otherwise, includes the several States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the territories and possessions of the United States.



(l)



The term ''mortgage insurance program'' includes, in the case of a residential mortgage secured by a manufactured home, any manufactured home lending program under title I of the National Housing Act (12 U.S.C. 1702 et seq.)







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You know that this applies to both parties...so why not foreclose on them...check out he bold type--and I'm sure you may want to think about foreclosure differently. Remember Ice always references the breach of contract and it is them that breaches the contract first, so here is some meat I found, hope it helps:



TITLE 12 > CHAPTER 38A > Sec. 3755.



Sec. 3755. - Prerequisites to foreclosure





(a) In general





(1) Upon breach of covenant or condition







The Secretary is authorized to foreclose a mortgage under this chapter upon the breach of a covenant or condition in the mortgage agreement.

(2) No other pending proceedings





(A) Prior to commencement







No foreclosure may be commenced under this chapter unless any previously pending judicial or nonjudicial proceeding that has been separately instituted by the Secretary to foreclose the mortgage (other than under this chapter), has been withdrawn, dismissed, or otherwise terminated.



( After commencement







No separately instituted foreclosure proceeding on a mortgage which is the subject of a foreclosure proceeding under this chapter shall be instituted by the Secretary during the pendency of foreclosure pursuant to this chapter.



(b) Other rights unaffected







Nothing in this chapter shall preclude the Secretary from -



(1)



enforcing any right, other than foreclosure, under applicable Federal or State law, including any right to obtain a monetary judgment; or



(2)



foreclosing under this chapter if the Secretary has obtained or is seeking any other remedy available pursuant to Federal or State law, or under the mortgage agreement, including the appointment of a receiver, mortgagee-in-possession status, or relief under an assignment of rents





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<font color=darkblue face=tahoma>These seem to enumerate the rights of the SOS. How do we implement this ourselves?



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<font color=darkblue face=tahoma>The following information is taken mostly from a book entitled "Allodial Title Via Land Patents" by Joe Stevens, M.S. Sui Juris

I will first transcribe details of the process as described in the book, then I will list various court cases in support/defense of the patent as true allodial title.

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<div style="font-size: 20px; font-weight: bold;">How to Do It</div><table id=MYTABLE valign="top" border="0" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="0"><tr><td valign="top">First*** </td> <td valign="top">

Procure the legal description of your*piece*of ground.*

If you do not have it, you can get it at the assesor's office, or at*the nearest title company. </td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top">Second*** </td>

<td valign="top"> Find the address of your BLM office. (check here) </td> </tr>

<tr><td valign="top">Third***</td>

<td valign="top">Send your properties legal description, along with a blank signed check on which you have written "not to exceed $20" and a request for a certified copy of the original land patent for your legal description. It will usually be for 160 acres but you will patent only your legal description. Remember, that must be a certified copy. If yours is not certified, do not use it. It will invalidate your patent and you will think you are protected but if you had to go to court to defend it, you would lose.

</td></tr>

<tr><td valign="top">Fourth***</td>

<td valign="top">When you get the certified copy of your original land patent use it to fill out the 'assignee's update of patent' form [I'll try and get a sample uploaded shortly].

</td></tr>

<tr><td valign="top">Fifth***</td>

<td valign="top">Take the completed unsigned 'assignee's update of patent' to the nearest notary and have it notarized. Make sure every one who has an interest in the property has signed the update (ie your wife/husband/partner). Those with a fiduciary interest (ie bankers, speculators etc.) will find out when you send them your notice that you have updated the patent on your property. You should execute a trust agreement with your lender so his interests are protected.

</td></tr>

<tr><td valign="top">Sixth***</td>

<td valign="top">Take the signed, notarized update of patent, the certified copy of the original land patent, and your decaration of homestead (optional) to your county recorder's office and present it for recording. This will cost about $20 to $40 depending on the number of pages you have and the number of pieces of property you have (only one declaration of homestead per person).

</td></tr>

<tr><td valign="top">Seventh***</td>

<td valign="top">Go to the local paper and publish a notice for three days running of what you just did, along with a legal description of the property. This will suffice as notice to all who have equity interest in your property. There are a lot of fools out there tat are going to read this and immediately attempt to steal their neighbor's land. On the surface it appears that you can do just that. However, when you research the law, one of the areas that a land patent can be attacked is via fraud. Fraud vitiates anything it touches (that means nullifies) and then you come under common law and that is a jurisdiction that you cannot hide from. There are two rules that a sovereign must abide by:
  1. You cannot infringe on the rights of another sovereign.
  2. You must keep all contracts that you enter into knowingly, intentionally and voluntarily.

</td></tr>

<tr><td valign="top">Eighth***</td>

<td valign="top">Make a copy of the forgoing documents and send them to everyone who has an equitable interest in your property (you will hear some anguished howls but after their initial consultation with a knowledgeable attorney you won't hear anything. They can't win but you can be assured they will pray for your continued prosperity so they get paid on time). Now, if your lender is astute and he's not a corporation he will already have filed his patent which you will get when you pay off your ground. I would also strongly suggest that you make arrangements with the holder of equity interest in your ground for him to take silver or gold instead of FRNs. You have then paid off your debt, not satisfied it with limited obligation. That is what you do when you use FRNs. Then there can never be a question about your patent for there will be no mistakes nor fraud and it will be paid in lawful money (gold or silver).

</td></tr>

<tr><td valign="top">Ninth***</td>

<td valign="top">Wait ninety (90) days until your patent is perfected and re-record the front page of your update of patent. Just a little insurance to be sure the servant doesn't futz with the document.

If your recorder is honest and smart you will have no troulbe and he will record your paperwork. The law does not give him the right to make a legal determination of what to file and what not to file. That is the court's duty. However, if he does question you, ask him:
  1. to showin your state's code what his job is. Point out to him the law (it's the same in every state or close enough for government work). If he still does not record your documents, then
  2. demand a copy of his surety bond and
  3. the name of his insurance carrier for that bond

Inform him that it is CYA time because you intend to file a claim with his insurance company against his bond. A lot of them are duped and don't know they are being used. At this point he is going to start hollering for risk management. This is when risk management usually caves in. Some may be obstinate and continue to fight but eventually they can't handle the pressure. If risk management gets stubborn you can also file against their surety bond too. When the insruance company, who looks at it dispassionately, tells them that if they continue they will lose and lose big, they capitulate. You might also inform the recorder of what the consequences are when he loses, which he will do, because the law is on your side, even in their own kangaroo courts. Those consequences are a loss of deductible. If the loss is big enough he loses pension, benefits, and eventually if it goes so far that he is convicted of denying your constitutional right, he loses his job, house and the whole nine yards. Oh yes, you get the house and assets, so it is worth pursuing.

</td></tr>

<tr><td valign="top">Tenth***</td>

<td valign="top">Make copies of your land patent and post it in all four corners of your property. You are telling the world that this is a sovereign's castle.

</td></tr>

</table>

<div style="font-size: 20px; font-weight: bold;">How to Defend It</div>

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"An estate of inheritance without condition, belonging to the owner, and alienable by him, transmissable to his heirs, absolutely and simply, is an absolute estate in perpetuity and the largest possible estate a man can have being in fact allodial in its nature."* [Stanton v. Sullivan. 63 R.I. 216 696 (1839)]



"unless fraud is shown, this rule is held to apply to patents executed by the public authorities."* [State v. Hewitt Land Co., 134 p. 474, 479 (1913)]



"legal titles cannot be conveyed except in the form provided by law." [McGarrahan v. Mining Co. 96 U.S. 316 (1877)]



Note: When the word law is used it means common law. Our courts today are not law, but equity or admiralty which has no jurisdiction over a sovereign unless the soveregn acquiesces. Challenge the jurisdiction of every court you enter because if you don't you freely give away all of your God-given rights. If you are of the mistaken opinion that the governments, or courts, were instituted to protect your rights, and does protect your rights, then you have another thing coming. If the government and courts did fullfull their proper and only function we would not be in the mess we are in!



"legal title to property is contingent upon the patent issuing from the government."* [Sabo v. Horvath, 559 p. 2d 1038, 1040 (aka. 1976)]



"that the patent carries the fee and is the best title known to a court of law is settled doctrine of this court." [Marshall v. Ladd, 7 Wall. (74 U.S. 106 (1869)]



"a patent issued by the government of united states is legal and conclusive evidence of title to the land described therein, no equitable interest, however strong, to land described in such patent can prevail at law, against the patent." [Land Patents, Opinions of the United States Attorney General's office, (Sept. 1869)]



"a patent is the highest evidence of title, and is conclusive against the government and all claiming under junior titles, until it is set aside or annulled by some judicial tribunal." [Stone v. United States, 1 Well, (67 U.S. 765 (1865)]



"the patent is the instrument which, under the laws of congress, passes title from the United States and the patent when regular on its face, is conclusive evidence of title in the patentee, when there is a confrontation between two parties as to the superior legal title, the patent is conclusive evidence as to ownership." [Gibson v. Chauteau, 13 Wall 92 (1871)]



"congress having the sole pawer to declare the dignity and effect it's titles has declared the patent to be the superior and conclusive evidence of the legal title." [Bagnell v. Broderick, 38 U.S. 438 (1839)]



"issuance of a government patent granting title to the land is 'the most accredited type of conveyance known to our law'" [United States v. Creek Nation, 295 U.S. 103, 111, (1935)]



"the patent is prima facie conclusive evidence of title." [Marsh v. Brooks, 49 U.S. 223, 233 (1850)]



"a patent, once issued, is the highest evidence of title and is final determination of the existence of all facts." [Walton v. United States, 415 f 2d 121, 123 (10th cir. (1969)]



"a patent to land is the highest evidence of title and may not be collaterally attacked" [State v. Crawford, 441 p2d 586, 590 (ariz. app. 1968)]



"the land patent is the highest evidence of title and is immune from collateral attack." [Raestle v. Whitson, 582 p.2d 170, 172 (1978)]



"patents rights to the land is the title in fee." [City of Los Angeles v. Board of Supervisors of Mono County, 292 P. 2d 539 (1956)]



"the patent is the fee simple" [Squire v. Capoeman, 351 U.S. 1, 6 (1956)]



"and the patent is required to carry the fee" [Carter v. Ruddy, 166 U.S. 493, 496 (1896)]



"it is the largest estate in land that the law will recognize, a fee simple estate still exists even though the property is mortgaged or incumbered." [Hughes v. Miller's Mutual Fire Insurance Co., 246 s.w. 23 (1923)]



"state statutes that give less authoritative ownership of title than the patent can not even be brought into federal court." [Langdon v. Sherwood, 124 U.S. 74, 81 (1887)]



State courts have no jurisdiction over land patents!



"the congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States." [Constitution of the United States of America, Article IV, Section III, Clause II.]



One of the latest cases in Michigan [Klais v. Danowski, 337 Mich. Reports 1964, Michigan Supreme Court] held that, based on the supreme law of the land, patents to land were not cut off by the subsequent creation of the state and that the state has no jurisdiction on the patented lands.

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1). Will my standing as a tax-donating, corporate termite prevent me from successfully defending my patented land?



2). Will my status as participant in a knowingly fraudulent home "loan" prevent me from successfully defending my patented land?



3). Are there any other ramifications as of yet hidden to me, given my state of relative slavery, and user of many "benefits" offered by BB?



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1). Will my standing as a tax-donating, corporate termite prevent me from successfully defending my patented land?



2). Will my status as participant in a knowingly fraudulent home "loan" prevent me from successfully defending my patented land?



3). Are there any other ramifications as of yet hidden to me, given my state of relative slavery, and user of many "benefits" offered by BB?



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  1. Your corporate persona isn't who is obtaining and defending the patent. YOU are. Legal Titles (titles to "persons") cannot be conveyed save for an explicit provision in law:



    "legal titles cannot be conveyed except in the form provided by law." [McGarrahan v. Mining Co. 96 U.S. 316 (1877)]




  2. Nope.



    "it is the largest estate in land that the law will recognize, a fee simple estate still exists even though the property is mortgaged or incumbered." [Hughes v. Miller's Mutual Fire Insurance Co., 246 s.w. 23 (1923)]




  3. More than likely. But the Law is on your side. Just keep studying!



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i know the land patent is highly recommended but ive seen noone to (my knowledge) who has successfully stayed in their home after getting one. what law HAVE they honored? many of you will start to notice that im going away from all this crap and sticking to contract law. they are not gonna honor their own laws so you have to go after their money. thats what roger elwick kept trying to get into everybody's head when he started teaching redemption. until you go after the equity, they dont care what you do. until you start making the sacrifice and start taking their property, they laugh. simple as that.



GOOD POST KGOD. I'VE BEEN HEARING THE SAME FOR A WHILE BUT NO ONE HAS RESPONDED IF IT ACTUALLY WORKS OR NOT. I THINK THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM ARE SLOWLY BUT SURELY MOVING AWAY FROM REDEMPTION THEORY AND EMBRACING CASE LAW.
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<font color=darkblue face=tahoma>I have yet to personally meet anyone who has even HEARD of a Land Patent, let alone defended one. However, those in the case cites above seemed to do pretty well My best suggestion: do what they did.[/color]
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