What about this for Promissory Note Fraud?

#1 10-03-2004, 12:55 AM

Here is the link...

Read Closely the first few lines where it says "I promise to pay.... to the order of the Lender."

The Bank altered this two ways from the original intent of the alleged signers.

First, it went from "I promise to pay" to the banks stamp of "Pay to the order of"

Then, it went from being payable to the Lender to being payable to anyone. (blank payee)

We all know the lender didn't really lend, and that's not the point I am trying to make anyway, just that there has to be a difference in the intent of:

1. I promise to pay

vs.

2. Pay to the order of:________________

Don't ya think?

HB

#2 10-03-2004, 01:14 AM

Wait a D#$%(M minute here.

NCGS 25- 3-104(e) An instrument is a "note" if it is a promise and is a "draft" if it is an order. If an instrument falls within the definition of both "note" and "draft", a person entitled to enforce the instrument may treat it as either." (NC UCC Section)

They changed with the stamp, the instrument from being a Note , and turned it into a Draft.

NOTE the above section does not say that a person entitled to enforce may treat it as BOTH. EITHER is the operative word there too.

The lights are coming on. They turned this from a promise into an order.

According to Blacks, a Draft is as follows:

A written order by the first party, called the drawer, instructing a second party, called the drawee (such as a bank), to pay money to a third party, called the payee. An order to pay a sum certain in Money, signed by a drawer, payable on demand or at a definite time, and to order of bearer."

Now folks, if this isn't PROOF that they just took the note and turned it into money, WHAT IS?

They, through fraud, ordered SOMEONE to pay this note. I intend to find out who, but they just turned this into a draft.

#3 10-03-2004, 01:25 AM

Henry Bowman,

You Rock!!!

#4 10-03-2004, 01:31 AM

This rocks indeed!

HB.

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#5 10-03-2004, 07:52 AM

That, my man, is "fraud in the factum".

Prof. Jim

gregtu · #6 10-03-2004, 08:33 AM

HB, I feel a win coming real soon!!!!!!

#7 10-03-2004, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim

That, my man, is "fraud in the factum".

Prof. Jim

Roger that Houston!

They, with that stamp and their "signature" attempted tochange the intent of the maker.

It's time to drop William L. Craig a little Notice and Demand letter.

HB.

<font color=red> FOLKS, IF YOU HAVEN'T DEMANDED TO SEE THE NOTE ON YOUR MORTGAGE, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?[/color]

seeker · #8 10-03-2004, 11:58 AM

you prompted me to get out my copy of the NOTE -- interesting read between item #1 --BORROWER'S PROMISE TO PAY (reads like yours) and #2 - INTEREST(also as yours)

However, dropped in right behind the blank for "THE LENDER IS ......." It says

I will make all payments under this note in the form of cash, check, or money order."

Is that legal? I sure didn't know any better when I signed that!?!

Seeker

#9 10-03-2004, 12:19 PM

I'll help you answer your own question:

HJR 192:

"the term coin or currency means coin of currency of the United States, including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks and national banking associations."

Now, back to the original Resolution which says:

"every orivision contained in or made with respece to any obligation which purports to give the obligee a right to require payment in Gold or a particular kind of coin or currency, or in am amount in money of the United States measured thereby, is declared to be against public policy"

Hmmm...

#10 10-06-2004, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryBowman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim

That, my man, is "fraud in the factum".

Prof. Jim

Roger that Houston!

They, with that stamp and their "signature" attempted tochange the intent of the maker.

It's time to drop William L. Craig a little Notice and Demand letter.

HB.

<font color=red> FOLKS, IF YOU HAVEN'T DEMANDED TO SEE THE NOTE ON YOUR MORTGAGE, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?[/color]

I HAVE THE PROOF (THE ORIGINAL NOTE) THAT THEY COMMITED FRAUD. I'M STILL PUTTING TOGHETHER A PRESENTMENT PACKAGE FOR THE ALLEGED LENDER.

I NEED MORE AMMO THOUGH. WHAT OTHER CHARGES ARE THEY LIABLE FOR ONCE THEY'RE FOUND GUILTY OF FRAUD AND FORGERY? HOW MUCH CAN YOU SUE THEM FOR? THANKS.