Esoteric

[Extramural]

Within this revelation (inside the red box), there is also remedy.

You just have to know how to unlock that remedy.

Read between the lines.

[Masterjacob]

I know it is kind of a dumb question that may require a serious knowledgeable person to answer but....

Q. What has bound us as citizens?

The constitution? " IN WITNESS THERE OF" How can other men contract to include other people?

[Extramural]

Originally Posted by Masterjacob

I know it is kind of a dumb question that may require a serious knowledgeable person to answer but....

Q. What has bound us as citizens?

The constitution? " IN WITNESS THERE OF" How can other men contract to include other people?

I am confused by your post.

1. Do you know what a "person" is?
2. How does citizenship relate to my original post?
3. How is your post at all relevant to the original post?

Just curious and confused.

[Masterjacob]

Sorry EX i meant to put this somewhere else..

The website is acting funny this weekend and i thought for sure i put it somewhere else.

[rottweiler]

American Liberty Dollar should have only took payment in US Notes.

Here is a admission:
"the American Liberty Dollar monetary system is simply a drain on the United States Government's system for financial profit via fraudulent means."

They are saying that the Federal Reserve is the "United States Government's system", not the people's. The Federal Reserve is not a agency of the government

They are admitting the FRN is a system for "financial profit via fraudulent means."

[Extramural]

Originally Posted by rottweiler

American Liberty Dollar should have only took payment in US Notes.

or silver.

[rottweiler]

Originally Posted by Extramural

or silver.

It would of been difficult but not as difficult as jail.

[mrg]

(Posted in agreeable response to Extramural, definitely NOT in antagonistic ARGUMENT)

NORFED uses Federal Reserve Notes (FRN) to conduct business.

FRN's are used to buy Liberty Dollar currency.

This reliance upon FRN's by a group opposed to FRN's demonstrates that the American Liberty Dollar monetary system is simply a drain on the United States Government's monetary system for financial profit via fraudulent means.
http://www.suijuris.net/forum/attach...g?d=1195390631

Just a few questions for the authors of the above quote:

Who or what is "NORFED?"

How precisely was it proven as fact that the referenced "group" is, in FACT "a group opposed to FRN's?"

Especially in light of the previous statement:

NORFED uses Federal Reserve Notes (FRN) to conduct business.

Are "Federal Reserve Notes" "notes?"

If not, what, specifically ARE "Federal Reserve Notes," and, with specific particularity, how and why does the precise term "Notes" attach to "Federal Reserve" and for what explicit and precise purpose and/or effect?

If so, how, precisely, can "notes" be "used to buy" ANYTHING?

note.

A notation.

A written promise to pay another a certain sum of money at a certain time. Grissom v Commercial Nat. Bank. 87 Tenn 350, 10 SW 774.

A kind of commercial paper. UCC § 3-104(2).

A negotiable promissory note. Uniform Negotiable Instruments L § 191.

A term used interchangeably with promissory note. Shawano Finance Corp. v Julius, 214 Wis 637, 254 NW 355.

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note in payment.

A note given in satisfaction or extinguishment of a claim against the maker. 40 Am Jlst Paym § 91.

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note of hand.

A name given generally by the un-learned, in common, to all those evidences of debts which are verified under the hand of the debtor, and which the creditor keeps.

It is not an apt legal term to describe a debt by judgment; nor is it ever used in that sense as its popular one. Perry v Maxwell, 17 NC (2 Dev Eq) 488, 496.



note of protest.

A note of the fact of the protest of a negotiable instrument indorsed thereon by a notary at the time of its protest.
See memorandum; municipal note;

public note.

A note for money borrowed by a public body, usually payable and issued to a single investor and maturing at a date earlier than a bond issue. 43 Am J1st Pub Sec § 11.




notes of the United States.

See United States notes.

notes used in circulation.

Notes issued by national banks and circulating as currency. United States v White (CC NY) 19 F 723. 724.

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note to be renewed until paid in full.

A provision in a note for indefinite renewal, but not to be construed as meaning that the maker has as much time as he desires to make payment of the principal sum, he being entitled to one renewal for the period specified in the original note, with no right to a renewal thereafter. Riepl v Sardino, 262 Wis 670, 56 NW2d 493, 35 ALR2d 1087.

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Ballentine's Law Dictionary Third Edition

[mrg]

Note, n.

An instrument containing an express and absolute promise of signer (i.e. maker) to pay to a specified person or order, or bearer, a definite sum of money at a specified time.

An instrument that is a promise to pay other than a certificate of deposit. U.C.C. § 3-104(2)(d).

Two party instrument made by the maker and payable to payee which is negotiable if signed by the maker and contains an unconditional promise to pay sum certain in money, on demand or at a definite time, to order or bearer. U.C.C. § 3-104(1).

A note not meeting these requirements may be assignable but not negotiable.

An abstract; a memorandum; an informal statement in writing.

See also Balloon note; Coal note; Judgment note; Promissory note; Sold note; Treasury note.


Circular note.

See Letter of credit.


Collateral note.

Two party instrument containing promise to pay and secured by pledge of property such as securities, real estate, etc.


Demand note.

Note payable on demand as contrasted with a time note which is payable at a definite time in the future.


Installment note.

One of a series of notes payable at regular intervals or a single note calling for payment in installments at fixed periods of time.


Joint and several note.

A note signed by persons as makers who agree to be bound both jointly and severally; i.e. they may be joined in a suit or they may be sued separately.


Joint note.

Note evidencing an indebtedness in which two or more persons agree to be liable jointly and for payment of which all such persons must be joined in an action to recover.


Mortgage note.

A note evidencing a loan for which real estate has been offered as security.


Negotiable note.

To qualify as negotiable, the note must be signed by the maker, contain an unconditional promise to pay a sum certain in money and be payable on demand or at a definite time to order or bearer. U.C.C. § 3-104(1).


Secured note.

A note for which security in the form of either real or personal property has been pledged or mortgaged.

See also Collateral note, above.


Time note.

Note payable at a definite future time as contrasted with a demand note.


Unsecured note. Note evidencing an indebtedness for which no security has been pledged or mortgaged.


Notes payable.

In bookkeeping, an account reflecting the aggregate indebtedness evidenced by promissory notes;

the notes themselves are liabilities.


Notes receivable.

In bookkeeping, an account containing evidence of indebtedness for which promissory notes have been given to the account of the party making the entry;

the notes themselves are assets.


Black's Law Dictionary Sixth Edition

Just a few more questions for the authors of the above quote:

How, precisely, is it, that "notes" that are only "intended to circulate as money, ARE, in fact, "the money itself?

Who precisely is claiming that "Liberty Dollar" is selling "currency," and where is the proof that such is, in fact, claimed by "Liberty Dollar" as "currency," AND that such, in actual fact, is "currency?"

How, precisely, is there FACT that ANY "reliance upon FRN's demonstrates that the American Liberty Dollar monetary system is simply a drain on the United States Government's monetary system?"

How, precisely, would "reliance upon FRN's" "to conduct business" indicate ANYTHING other than that "reliance upon FRN's demonstrates that the" FEDERAL RESERVE "monetary system is simply a drain on the United States Government's monetary system" pursuant to "...this Constitution for the United States of America" Article I, Section 8, clause 5, and Article I Section 10, Clause 1, phrases 3, 4 and 5?

Where, when, and how, precisely is it factually proven and established that there is ANY such "American Liberty Dollar 'monetary system'?"

What, precisely, do Federal Reserve Notes have to do with ANY ACTUAL money of ANY government of the United States?

What, precisely, does the Federal Reserve have to do with ANY money of the government of the United States?

Why, precisely, does the document refer to "the United States Government's monetary system, rather than the Federal "Government's monetary system?"

What is, in fact, the document, or contract, agreement, (or, perhaps "government" itself?), which delegates "Power" to provide for any so called "monetary system" for the "more perfect Union" of states United of America, and how, precisely is it delegated to be specifically governed?

mon·e·tary

Pronunciation:
\ˈmä-nə-ˌter-ē also ˈmə-\

Function:
adjective

Etymology:
Late Latin monetarius of a mint, of money, from Latin moneta

Date:
1810

of or relating to money or to the mechanisms by which it is supplied to and circulates in the economy

Merriam Webster Online Dictionary

[KarenM]

Originally Posted by mrg

Who or what is "NORFED?"

How precisely was it proven as fact that the referenced "group" is, in FACT "a group opposed to FRN's?"


If so, how, precisely, can "notes" be "used to buy" ANYTHING?

NORFED is defined at its web sites NORFED and Liberty Dollar

Those sites pretty well explain their opposition to FRNs.

Notes can be used to buy anything as long as the people selling the 'anythings' are willing to accept them.