12-06-2007, 10:42 PM
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Let's Say I Stole 9,999,999,000 in "thousands" FRNs
Now if I broke into a house and found 9,999,999,999 and took them, and then hid them, then got got what would happen in the patriots mind?
What would I owe the person?
Were the FRN's being used actively to discharge a debt?
No they were not.
So what gives them value if not the value to discharge debts public and private?
Is there some law that says what the value of an FRN is if it is not being used at the moment to discharge a federal debt?
Not that I know of.
So has the person stolen 99,999 pieces of paper, or something more?
Is a thief responsible for unforeseeable consequences of the civil aspect of theft? (This means that he guy who sold you a faulty tire cannot be held responsible to you not claiming a lotto prize because the faulty tire blew, even if he knew it was faulty)
No.
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12-07-2007, 10:50 AM
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That is interesting. It all depends on a law that may or may not exist, defining currency as valuable. I would count on that being the case, though. Including any judicial precedent interpreting the offense.
On a related note, I am involved now in a case of "taking free water". The statute charged is about 'using trickery or clandestine means to obtain fluid or current to the prejudice of another'. (my translation)
That means finding a way to beat the contractual expectations of a utility company. Like manipulating the meter, or creating a 'by-pass'. But in this present case the only allegation is that someone is taking water from a deposit that gets it's supply from a free natural source.
There is no allegation of 'prejudice', or loss, and there is no contractual nexus with the utility provider (the township). There is no meter or line to 'by-pass'. Just some water being openly taken without causing any damage to anyone. For fraud to exist there has to be contact- you cant fraud someone you never met.
What's being damaged here is the impression of "how-things-are" according to some very artificial persons...but that's not against any law on the books. "hurt feelings"
I have asked for dismissal for lack of SMJ: failure to state a cause of action.
So it remains to be seen where this one goes.
Last edited by farmer_giles_of_ham : 12-07-2007 at 11:25 AM.
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12-07-2007, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham
What's being damaged here is the impression of "how-things-are" according to some very artificial persons...but that's not against any law on the books. "hurt feelings"
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I agree about the impression. What if you went to a public park water fountain and tried to fill up 100 five gallon buckets with 'their' water?? Betcha somebody would say something... Is it 'illegal' to take public park water? You can obviously drink it, so who or what says how much is enough or too much??
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12-07-2007, 05:23 PM
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suppose I injected liquidity
Now let's pretend that up until August 13, 2007 we had to create money out of thin air upon a loan.
http://Friends-n-Family-Research.inf...y_of_Money.zip
First of all; let's pretend that I got poor Jin Renqing "retired" and sent off to a "Think Tank" which by Western propaganda may mean executed. Mainly because the evening the Request was published, the Asian Market dropped by 6.5% and really scared the crud out of a few folks. What this did was bring the Subprime Market crises into view from over the horizon. Mainly with a Northern Rock panic in Great Britain of all places.
Governor Bernanke then climbed into Bernanke's Helicopter and flooded the banks with fuzzy paper - feelgood paper notes of debt. This in effect staved off the immediate crash of the dollar but instead devalued the dollar miserably and is still crashing it, just a bit more slowly.
Meanwhile there are more than 20 pets per day in the San Diego area alone, being put to sleep because their owners are having to move out of the larger homes because of foreclosures...
Is Bernanke a thief?
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David Merrill.
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12-07-2007, 09:37 PM
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Is Bernanke a thief?
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He was a politician, correct?
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12-08-2007, 07:04 AM
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He was a politician, correct?
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Nice trick. The Chairman for the Federal Reserve a politician? LOL!!
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12-08-2007, 12:57 PM
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12-08-2007, 12:58 PM
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12-10-2007, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by David Merrill
Nice trick. The Chairman for the Federal Reserve a politician? LOL!!
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You are the one that called him "Governor" the first time.
LOL!!!
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12-10-2007, 10:05 PM
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Code-eeee, do you really have a state?
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