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Old 03-22-2008, 09:33 PM
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Would this work?

Seems the foreclosure racket is meeting increased resistance from home owners demanding the ORIGINAL PAPERWORK PROVING 'OWNERSHIP' by the banks who are trying to foreclose be produced in the court! Wellll in their quest for un-mitigated greed and profit, the banks or the attorneys or the judges don't know who has 'em. Why couldn't this same stratagy be applied to debt attorneys? One of the banks attorneys whines that they are having a much harder time doing forclosures because there is an army of attorneys in the courts protecting homeowners(boo hoo). Arguing points of law that the homeowner would generally not been aware of. i.e. the proof of ownership papers. Since I am unable to set up the link to this story here is the website info. Please if anyone knows how to create the link that would be great.
Bloomberg.com 3/23/08
Banks Lose To Deadbeat Homeowners As Loans Sold In Bonds Vanish
By Bob Ivry
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Old 03-22-2008, 09:46 PM
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Please if anyone knows how to create the link that would be great.
Bloomberg.com 3/23/08
Banks Lose To Deadbeat Homeowners As Loans Sold In Bonds Vanish
By Bob Ivry

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Since there is ... a Treasury First Lien against everything Rickman owns, having endorsed his paychecks for private credit then his FRNs function as if they were lawful money. Mainly because lawful money must have a bond behind it - the obligations of Gary Rickman instead of the United States. [emphasis added]
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Old 03-23-2008, 01:37 AM
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Some friends of mine are trying this exact method to save their home. They had tried the Dorian Group method and after a almost 2 year battle thru state then federal and back to state court, they lost their suit w/ prejudice. Sick thing was, their lawyer didnt even bother to tell them that Chase's lawyers had filed for a motion of summary judgment and gotten it. I was the one who seen it on the online Court Reporter and told them! Unfortunately, it was after the the 21 day window alloted by the MI rules for a by right appeal! ( I would've made it my business to get a lawyer disbarred for such negligence! )

Anyways, they were given a notice of foreclosure and the sale is this coming Tuesday (3/25). A paralegal friend has helped them draft a suit to stop the sale based on the decision of the Boyko court was filed in federal court and served this past Thursday. Will keep everyone apprised as things develop.
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Old 03-23-2008, 08:19 AM
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Once they stop the sale of there home. I would go after the attornory they had for not doing his job. Send him a bill for not doing his job (it can be in any amount). Then when he defaults file a commercial lien on him and he will never work again, he will have bad credit and will not be able to get into his bank account or anything. We as a people must stand up be sovereigns again. It will be a fight we will win. You see this whole mess that they have done is going to wake alot of people up, it is a blesssing from Yahweh (GOD). If you need the info how to do a commercial lien I have it there are step that must be done or you could get yourself in trouble.

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Old 03-23-2008, 08:44 AM
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Here is some information. The Boyko Order:

http://www.ohnd.uscourts.gov/Clerk_s...forclosure.pdf

Attached is an indictment on a magistrate "judge" who forecloses on about 100 homes a day. The suitor has liened his entire property, including airplane and hangar.

MrMaw;

There are statutes to jail anybody trying to get revenge against any real judge and that probably would include attorneys at Bar if you consider they will fight dirty. My point is be sure that the attorney is not actually covered by judicial or governmental immunity or you might regret placing a lien on any attorney.

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Sick thing was, their lawyer didnt even bother to tell them that Chase's lawyers had filed for a motion of summary judgment and gotten it. I was the one who seen it on the online Court Reporter and told them!

Shoonra has brought up several cases where the lienor did not set up a proper indictment and foundation for lack of immunity.

Another strategy is to subpoena duces tecum the original note. Here we see (attached) that the suitor served the subpoena on the 16th in preparation for the foreclosure hearing on the 22nd. When he and his witness showed up, they found they had been foreclosed on back on the 17th! - another secret foreclosure in America. That is desparation.

But most remarkably is a recently acquired Foreclosure Notice naming the mortgage company in part "...asset based feed-through certificates." This is notice in the first Notice that there will be no original note produced at any subsequent time.

Without this bundling scheme, without all the stellionation and double-enrichment going on, the extremely high overhead of fancy offices in fancy big buildings will collapse the banking empire on its own weight.

Remember that anything bought with the private credit of the Fed, FRNs, has a first lien on it anyway. Redeem lawful money!

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/convincing.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...06869308133588

Freebeme recently cast aspersions on Refusal for Cause in part by a member here who tried it in a foreclosure hearing and lost the home anyway. Well, read carefully this example of a transcript. Attorneys sidetracked him from the promise they were forced to make. They promise to produce the note and that should have driven the proceedings into a recess - right? Well they got him distracted about appeal instead... Sad!!

http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/sui...te-check_2.jpg
http://ecclesia.org/forum/images/sui...te-check_1.jpg

The reason the bankers never produce the note is that they sold it already - Pay to the Order of...


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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Old 03-23-2008, 01:26 PM
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There was a fed law that was past three years ago that they are not protectd by there office anymore. I don't remember what year.
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Old 03-23-2008, 02:13 PM
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There was a fed law that was past three years ago that they are not protectd by there office anymore. I don't remember what year.

That is not enough to be helpful.
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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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