HJR-192, Gold Redemption and Lawful Money

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

Wren was a key player in uniting the Lodges.

Elias Ashmole played a key role in uniting lodges as well, probably in about the same time frame.

My source for the comments above about the Druid-Freemason connection come from Thomas Paine:

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/history/paine_t.html

as well as the writings of R. Swinburne Clymer.

[georgealexander]

....and far from my library.

It was not Christopher Wren.

The man I am recalling had quite a bit to do with the Egyptian symbolism adopted for Masonic rituals.

George Alexander

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by georgealexander

The man I am recalling had quite a bit to do with the Egyptian symbolism adopted for Masonic rituals.

I believe it was Cagliostro who came up w/ the Rites of Memphis & Mitrzraim, wasn't it?

He was a close associate of St. Germain as well.

[Shoonra]

Cagliostro and St. Germain both mid-18th century, nowhere near contemporary of Shakespeare, and although contemporaries of each other I am not sure if they actually met.

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Cagliostro and St. Germain both mid-18th century, nowhere near contemporary of Shakespeare, and although contemporaries of each other I am not sure if they actually met.

I mention Cagliostro only b/c -- if memory serves me right -- he was closely involved w/ various Egyptian-style Masonic rites, including the Rites of Memphis + Mitrzaim. You're correct that both were much later than Shakespeare (unless you buy the line that St. Germain was "immortal", or the "wandering Jew" who had been accursed by Jesus himself, etc.. I personally don't).. Heck even Elias Ashmole was after Shakespeare.

I am told by respectable authorities that Cagliostro and St. Germain knew each other and were associates, but I admit that that is just hearsay, as I was (obviously) not present there.

[Shoonra]

I found another HJR 192 scamster:

http://www.hjrbonds.com/

For a good deal of money they'll sell you a purported HJR 192 financial instrument - they call it a bond but I imagine it more likely resembles a promissory note or a bill of exchange - with the usual twists and turns about the HJR 192 nonsense.

Interesting things: Their order form only allows you to pay them with something that immediately turns into real money -- cash, a credit card, a money order or a bank check -- they won't accept their own funny money as payment (Leroy Schweitzer was the same way). They also require you to sign an elaborate "Hold Harmless" document -- this I am sure was written by a real lawyer even though their other stuff isn't -- so when (not if) you get into deep trouble using their funny money you can't sue them or shift the blame to them. They also have a boiler plate "disclaimer" that they don't intend to violate any law - nor give legal advice - even as they tell you to commit fraud.

[Lawdog]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

I found another HJR 192 scamster:

http://www.hjrbonds.com/

For a good deal of money they'll sell you a purported HJR 192 financial instrument - they call it a bond but I imagine it more likely resembles a promissory note or a bill of exchange - with the usual twists and turns about the HJR 192 nonsense.

Interesting things: Their order form only allows you to pay them with something that immediately turns into real money -- cash, a credit card, a money order or a bank check -- they won't accept their own funny money as payment (Leroy Schweitzer was the same way). They also require you to sign an elaborate "Hold Harmless" document -- this I am sure was written by a real lawyer even though their other stuff isn't -- so when (not if) you get into deep trouble using their funny money you can't sue them or shift the blame to them. They also have a boiler plate "disclaimer" that they don't intend to violate any law - nor give legal advice - even as they tell you to commit fraud.

Leroy Schweitzer was one of DiM's co-defendants!

Although Leroy got more time in the slammer than DiM, if memory serves me correctly.

[Notorial dissent]

But then, DiM, then, like now, was just sort of a post it note in the scheme of things, and his glue has gotten a whole lot thinner since.