Banks, Collectors, and CRAs Discuss the elimationa of secured and unsecured "debt", as well as tactics for dealing with debt collectors and credit reporting agencies.


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Old 06-22-2008, 07:42 PM
a.spirit a.spirit is offline
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Examine this: Is this firm a debt collector?

This may be a trick from a debt collector:

Examine this letter that states:

Our client, ABC Bank has engaged this law firm to make demand for payment in full on your account reference above.

blah blah blah .................................................. ....................
.......................

This communication is from a debt collector.

Very truly yours,

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Question: Is this firm a debt collector?
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Old 06-22-2008, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by a.spirit
This may be a trick from a debt collector:

Examine this letter that states:

Our client, ABC Bank has engaged this law firm to make demand for payment in full on your account reference above.

blah blah blah .................................................. ....................
.......................

This communication is from a debt collector.

Very truly yours,

Atty name

Question: Is this firm a debt collector?

When you ask "is this firm a debt collector?", are you asking about the attorney or ABC Bank?

You state that the communication from the law firm states that ABC Bank has engaged the law firm [Dewey Cheetum and Howe] to make demand for payment in full on your account.

Does the above statement provide enough info to base a fully informed decision as to whether the law firm is a debt collector, the ABC Bank is a debt collector, or no one is actually a debt collector? I would say making a demand on your account for payment in full is simply 'word-smithing', and none of the above entities are debt collectors, in the true sense.

I can tell you in my neck of the woods, all debt collectors are required to have a bond registered with the Secretary of State. So, if no bond registered, they are simply contractors(not debt collectors), and are trying to get you to contract with them.

I would demand from them more information, before making any decision as to whether to do business with them. Some demands might be to require the bonding company, and bond numbers for there company, the amount of bond that they have, and all principa;ls an agents related to the company.

In addition, are they 'holder-in due course'? Do they have the original contract, which outlines exactly what default powers were agreed to in the original contact? Does the original contract exist? Was it fraudulently conveyed(cashed and extinguished)? Does the original contract meet the Truth and Lending requirements, and was there any Reg Z violations?

This is just for starters. See how fun this can be?
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:07 PM
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Sorry. I was not clear enough.

Letter from a Law firm says in Law Firm's letterhead:

Dear A:

Our client, Credit Card Bank has engaged this law firm to make demand for payment in full on your account reference above.

blah blah blah .................................................. ....................
.......................

This communication is from a debt collector. This letter is an attempt to collect a debt and any information obtained will be used for that purpose. You may contact us at 1800number.

Disclosure about FCPA written here...........

Very truly yours,

Atty name
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Question: Is this law firm a debt collector?
I am not sure because it states "our client credit card bank" as well. It states though that this communication is from a debt collector.
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:01 PM
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Sorry. I was not clear enough.

Letter from a Law firm says in Law Firm's letterhead:

Dear A:

Our client, Credit Card Bank has engaged this law firm to make demand for payment in full on your account reference above.

blah blah blah .................................................. ....................
.......................

This communication is from a debt collector. This letter is an attempt to collect a debt and any information obtained will be used for that purpose. You may contact us at 1800number.

Disclosure about FCPA written here...........

Very truly yours,

Atty name
Law Firm

Question: Is this law firm a debt collector?
I am not sure because it states "our client credit card bank" as well. It states though that this communication is from a debt collector.

Yes this is from some debt attorney firm. Most likely purchased for next to nothing. So this would mean that the account has been charged off(I think) and the banking trust has already submitted a claim for reimbursement from their underwriter ins co.(again I think thats right) and also the proper IRS forms have been filed negating any tax obligations that may have been incured while this account was active. They will claim assignment from the bank but I bet they own it outright. This also counts as their 'official' dunning letter. Starting the court clock towards their goal of theft, via the summary judgement ruling. Monitor your local court just to be vigilant. You don't want any 'suprises' from them. And clear out your bank accounts except for overdrafts(they can't steal that). gldskr has offered some good info on dealing with these parasites.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:07 PM
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Thank you Sir.
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Old 06-26-2008, 03:24 AM
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Time to break out that VOD and respond a.spirit! I would recommend using a VOD like Jerseee's because it addresses issues like assignment/purchase of the alleged debt.
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