Electricity being shut off.

[EnSabahNur]

I got a notice yesterday that my electricity is being shut off Friday if they do not recieve the full payment, CASH ONLY (it really says that), by Friday noon. I currently heat my home with Electricity, and it is -20 right now where I live. So, me and dalrex went down to their offices today and I gave them a Bill of Exchange for the debt (Their bill accepted for value, and the EIN # since the Bill is an encoded cheque complete with a teller's stamp on the back) and several other papers declaring the property as my domicile, and yadda yadda.

Needless to say they were perplexed. By the way, they would NOT allow my witnesses to sit in on the meeting? Anyways, so they informed me that they ONLY accept Canadian Dollars, so I asked them to clarify exactly what that is, and they said "Bank of Canada Dollars", I replied "Oh, you mean Bank of Canada Notes, that's a promisary note, a Bill of exchange, this is the same thing". They informed me that it was NOT payment, even though they kept it (hahahahah), so I told them that was their opinion, and if the Hydro was shut off I would charge, and seek damages against every individual living man/woman involved in damaging my property and myself.

So they said the Power would in fact be shut off. But they kept the payment, and said that I did not make the payment. Hmmmmm

They were really quite stupid. I told them that I have made a legal tender, and she said "this is not legal tender" which is a nonsense statement since there is no such thing as "Legal Tender", Morons......I really liked the education they gave me about what real money was, it was quite enlightening.

In fact, here's one of the Cover letters that was with the payment:

Attention: Manitoba Hydro

I have spoken to representatives from your company several times regarding account # XXXXXXX XXX. I have never disputed the amount owing and have offered many times to pay the balance due. Every offer has been met with open hostility, and dishonor of my offers. Every individual has demanded that I pay the full balance immediately using Bank of Canada Notes, to which I have none of.

There being no lawful money in Canada, and no gold or silver to pay the account with, all I can offer is a promise to pay at such time as there is lawful money again, as all that I am ever paid with, for my labour, is Promissory Notes.

Individuals I have spoken to threaten to terminate electricity to my place of domicile, if I do not immediately pay the balance due in Bank of Canada Notes. As I have stated, I have no Bank of Canada notes, and there is no lawful money I can acquire to satisfy the debt. I have tried to remain in honor, but I cannot be held to do the impossible.

It is now December 15, 2004, and the electricity is vital for heat, and other necessities essential to preserving my life. I would suffer great hardship were my electricity to be cut off, as well as the lives of my pets.

If you decide to dishonor this latest attempt to remedy the situation, and cut off electricity, I will hold those responsible for the damages to my property and myself PERSONALLY responsible, and will pursue those individuals to the fullest extent the law allows.

Also, your Bills come to the name DXXX XXXXXXXX, which I believe to be a Crown created legal fiction to which I am the Authorized representative of with P.O.A In Fact. I will authorize payment of the account through that name, as it appears the Crown has assumed ownership of the Property described as 928 Warsaw Avenue despite the fact that it was I who purchased it. If the Crown has claimed the property as it’s own, then they can pay the Bills owing on it, as I simply live there.


Govern yourself accordingly,

So, I'm going to see some lady tomorrow who is in charge of something or other, as I made some calls when I got home to various people to inform them that I had made payment, and my electricity is still being cut off. The more names I get the better I figure. I talked to the "Customer Care Manager", and explained, not hiding anything, that I had paid with a Bill of Exchange in accordance with the Bill of Exchange Act, HJR-192, and Public Policy and that they said that I had not paid but kept the BOE, and were going to shut off my Hydro anyways, and she did not really ask me a whole lot more. I thought she would have asked what I was talking about as the other buffoons did that I saw earlier. So, she said she would make some calls and get back to me.

I think I am just going to go down and surprise her in the morning with some witnesses for an early Friday meeting. Should I tell her to have an attorney present so he can verify what I am going to tell her. I would still like to settle amicably, as I simply want heat and to pay the bills, but they are demanding the impossible from me, and are NOT acting in honor.

Suggestions for some hard core **** disturbing? I like my heat, and I'm sure my animals do not want to die. What would be a good appraoch for dealing with this woman, who sounds like someone who is pretty high up the food chain around there.

Remember, she did not seem surprised by anything I said.....Hmmmmmmmm.

[EnSabahNur]

So, not one living man/woman would meet with me today. But after a whole morning of phone calls, and it seems that EVERYONE had copies of my material faxed to them because they ALL had it on there desk (Hmmmmm), wherever I was sent to talk to someone. In order to keep my Electricity on I have to pay half the money owed on Monday, and the rest in 2 weeks. So I agreed, after informing the living man in charge of pretty much everything, that if the Heat is shut off I would drive straight down to the JP and charge him personally with Extortion, fraud, Uttering Threats and Conspiracy to Commit Crime.

He said that I was flying off the handle, so I asked him how I should talk to the people who are going to cut off my only source of Heat in the middle of winter, when I am trying to resolve the matter and every offer I give them is being refused. He had no comment for that. I'm going to to play ball for now, since I do need my heat, but I am going to wait a week, and when they don't return my original payment I am going to go press charges anyways, I don't want them to think that I was bluffing now do I.

They said that I tampered with their equipment by turning the Hydro back on myself 2 months ago, and a thief for stealing electricity to which I replied "Oh, you mean the equipment attached to my house, and electricity that is still being metered, and is owing on this bill, that I am offering to pay right now, I look forward to seeing you in court on that one." So, that was the last time that comment was made.

These people are idiots. You should see the threatening letter I got demanding FULL PAYMENT, CASH ONLY, 1 1/2 days from when it was delivered. I refused that offer by the way, written across it in red pen, and returned it to them with my original payment. I think I have lot's of ammo. But, I'm still waiting to see what someone here thinks.

I can pay it in full Monday anyways, I just want to see how far I can push these dillhole's. ;)

i'd offer something if i could, but, as i'm currently getting royally beaten up by the legal system here in Maryland, i don't think i'm qualified to say much...

jon

"Needless to say they were perplexed. By the way, they would NOT allow my witnesses to sit in on the meeting? Anyways, so they informed me that they ONLY accept Canadian Dollars, so I asked them to clarify exactly what that is, and they said "Bank of Canada Dollars", I replied "Oh, you mean Bank of Canada Notes, that's a promisary note, a Bill of exchange, this is the same thing". They informed me that it was NOT payment, even though they kept it (hahahahah), so I told them that was their opinion, and if the Hydro was shut off I would charge, and seek damages against every individual living man/woman involved in damaging my property and myself."

Um are you and the electric company in Canada? If so, does PL 93-10 apply to Canada? I thought PL 93-10 (HJR 192) was a law passed by the U.S. Congress that applies U.S. subjects? Am I missing something here????

Well, if I were you and your electric company is Con Edison of New York, I would issue the BOE, explain that this is *legal tender* just like a FRN, and, if it has a problem with it, talk to the U.S. Congress - the only entity in the United States that has the power under the U.S. Constiitution to make and coin money and make other laws that are necessary and proper to our currency system. And if they find an Attorney who's stooopid enough to argue about a BOE being legal tender in court, I would promptly file a motion to dismiss the case as this is a political question that cannot be decided (or granted relief) by a judge. Seperations of Powers is clearly stated in the US Const, the Supreme Law of the Land.

By the way, HOW did you *create* the BOE? As I understand it, a BOE is basically a check drawn on the account of the US Treasury. If this is correct, how did you establish an account with the US Treasury??

[suijuris]

Yeah, what cute_chick said.

Some questions:

Is the power company a private company or part of your government?

Are they offering their service at the point of a gun?

Are they under US law?

If you want to obtain my services, I will tell you what I will and will not accept in exchange. If you offered a BOE in exchange, I would withhold my services unless you could tell me how to negotiate the instrument in a manner that would allow me to get something I need, like groceries, gas, etc.

Would you take a BOE in exchange for your labor?

If I accept your labor for value, how would you propose that I obtain food, heating, gas, and the other things I need to survive?

Honestly, no disrespect EnSabahNur, but you got my really scratching my head on this one.

The Bill of Exchange has worked in Canada; There is what is known as the Bill of Exchange Act, and he is quite within the scope of it alone to write one. Unfortunately there is no law which mandates its acceptance.

Canada is by and large, conquered territory. The country does not exist per se, and we do not have a constitution.

free_martha

EnSabahNur, as they kept your Bill of Exchange and did not return it then you must report that to CRA as it is income that they have not reported.

BTW, I thought it was against the law to cut off anyones power in the prairies in winter, as one may very well freeze to death, let alone your animals. You might want to alert your MP as to what is going on also.

Good Luck.

free_martha

[rushpat]

Yes, any private group can demand any form of payment they want. Using BoE's, CPN, A4V, etc on the utility companies is probably going to get your power cut.

[EnSabahNur]

Hmmm, O.K, I'll try to tackle everything here.

cutechick: Um are you and the electric company in Canada? If so, does PL 93-10 apply to Canada? I thought PL 93-10 (HJR 192) was a law passed by the U.S. Congress that applies U.S. subjects? Am I missing something here????

Canada has the same thing, with bankruptcy and Public Policy. This was the letter that accompanied my BOE, which was their encoded cheque/bill they sent to my ALL CAPPS name, it was accepted, and I authorized payment through his (ALL CAPPS) name ising his EIN#, as I am his authorized representative with P.O.A In Fact, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The BOE conforms with EVERY requirement in the BOE ACT, as have read it many times:


"Notice: The law relating to principal and agent applies.

Equality under the Law is paramount and mandatory by Law.

RE: Money Order

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am in receipt of your money order dated September 15, 2004. I did not find your cheque enclosed; therefore, I am accepting this money order for value as true and returning it in exchange for discharge, closure and settlement of the accounting.

This bill of exchange discharges the obligation per Bills of Exchange Act;
Non-taxable payment item; UCC § 1-103, 1-104, 3-603(a)(b);
Public Policy of House Joint Resolution 192 of June 5, 1933-UCC10-104
and as per statements made by the Supreme Court of Canada

You are hereby ordered to adjust my account immediately.

If you have any further questions, contact me in writing at the following address:"

cutechick: By the way, HOW did you *create* the BOE? As I understand it, a BOE is basically a check drawn on the account of the US Treasury. If this is correct, how did you establish an account with the US Treasury??

The Bills I get from them are encoded, there is a teller stamp on the back of it, it has an amount due, a due date, a drawee, a drawer, and a payee. I authorized the payment as the representative of the ALL CAPPS name and included the EIN# (Tax account number) to bill. Of course the people in collections thought I was nuts, and had NO idea what I was talking about. So they informed me as to what "Real" money is. ;)

Suijuris: Is the power company a private company or part of your government?

Are they offering their service at the point of a gun?

Are they under US law?

Part of the Government, well a Public Utility actually. Would that make me the Secured party since it operates on the credit of the people of the province I live?

Yes, it is at the point of a gun, they are the ONLY electric company, they are a Government controlled Monopoly, they treat people like **** because you cannot go anywhere else, and people do need to live on the praries. It commonly goes to -50 here.

No, under Canadian Law. It is the same thing though. We are under relatively the same umbrella. Ther is NO lawful money, there is no gold or silver, you can only EVER pay with a promise to pay, The Bank of Canada is owned by the Federal Reserve, Bank of Canada Notes are the Government currency.

I'm really pretty peeved about this, I will not let it drop. These people bend us over and love it. I'm tired of their ****, I'm tired of dealing with these jerk-offs, and I want some retribution. They kept the payment, NOBODY would meet with me in person, they ALL had copies (faxed) of my paperwork and were ready for me when I called. Where their "offices" are they do not meet with customers, apparently. Otherwise known as "Oh, you want electricity eh, well, better start dancing like a monkey then."

Also, I refer you to the letter that I gave them, at the bottom:

"Also, your Bills come to the name DXXX XXXXXXXX, which I believe to be a Crown created legal fiction to which I am the Authorized representative of with P.O.A In Fact. I will authorize payment of the account through that name, as it appears the Crown has assumed ownership of the Property described as 928 Warsaw Avenue despite the fact that it was I who purchased it. If the Crown has claimed the property as it’s own, then they can pay the Bills owing on it, as I simply live there."

Apparently the Crown created legal fiction has assumed ownership of my home, I bought it, but he is on the Land Title, so he can pay the Bills that come in his name. I authorized the payment in his name, and gave the tax account number. As far as I'm concerned that is Fraud, Extortion, and Uttering threats. If you want a more detailed description of the BOE, let me know. Also, I researched the BEA "Bill of Exchange Act" in Canada before doing it.

free_martha: Canada is by and large, conquered territory. The country does not exist per se, and we do not have a constitution.

Ahhhh, thank god, another Canuckistanian. Boy we need to talk. We have a group here in Canada, and we are starting to organize. Feel free to contact me, no, PLEASE contact me. Don't care what part of the country you are in. We have been fighting CRA(sucessfully), the Police (Very sucessfully), and basically causing some real **** around here. Be nice to have some more support.

And I'm working on a way that they must accept it. This is why I need more people from Canada. I'll be more than happy to go to court and sue them personally, and then they can explain why my house is in 'his' name, and why my bills come in his name, and the Director of Summary Courts in my area where I drop off all my cancelled "Contract offers" (charges) refuses to answer mine and dalrex's questions anymore.

I'll get these dirtbags. I know there is a problem, since NOBODY would meet with me in person. Well, they'll have to answer when I serve them after a trip to the JP. ;)

free_martha: BTW, I thought it was against the law to cut off anyones power in the prairies in winter, as one may very well freeze to death, let alone your animals. You might want to alert your MP as to what is going on also.

So did I, but I guess that is only if you are an Indian, which I brought up, AND HE DIDN'T EVEN DENY IT! He said "Well, that's not my department". GRRRRRRRRRR! He said he didn't care if I froze, maybe I should pay my bills. I got his name, he is a head dude, I will mess with his life.

I've met with my MP before, she is an Idiot. I grilled her about all the anti-terrorism legislation, the gun registry, Driver's Licenses, and Taxes. She knew nothing. In fact she admitted she never read any of the new Bills, she just skimmed the Summary. *Anger* Which is why I no longer acknowledge their existence anyways, personally, and live by the common law. I have even made my own ID, and destroyed all the Government stuff, except the stuff "he" (my strawman) needs.

rushpat: Yes, any private group can demand any form of payment they want. Using BoE's, CPN, A4V, etc on the utility companies is probably going to get your power cut.

Public Utility. Government owned (people owned) and controlled. Also, I am not purchasing something, a debt exists and they cannot demand specific payment, unless otherwise specified before the service was given. Well see what happens.



I just really hate these pricks almost as much as Revenue Canada and the Politicians, and the Police, in that order, and I'm super peeved right now so pardon my ranting. But, If you all have anything you've been wanting to try, lay it on me, I am more than willing to stick my neck out here as a guinea pig.

Hon why didn't you tender the BOE to a Senior Executive or Senior Attorney - you know, someone who would know what to do with it????