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Old 06-04-2005, 04:08 PM
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Promissory Notes

Has anyone every had someone try to redeem a promissory note? I was watching one of Winston's DVD's and he had a guy from the bank come to redeem the note. He gave a very good explaination of how the whole process works.
If you go to the bank with an instrument, a $10 bill/federal reserve note for example, and you ask for change the give you other notes. Either two $5 bills/federal reserve notes or ten $1 bills/federal reserve notes.
So if a bankster comes to redeem a CPN that you issued to discharge a debt, you give them another instrument, another note or a bill of exchange.
Once the instrument is tendered, and if they don't redeem it, the debt is discharged.
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Old 06-04-2005, 04:30 PM
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BE extremely careful Jaylon. If the person to whom you have tendered a boe or cpn or other exotic instrument receives the instrument and does not either directly reject it or attempt to execute it, the final outcome of whether or not the debt is discharged, will be up to the judge that is inevetibly going to be sitting on the case..

As here in Florida.. the says exactly as you have stated.. if rejected by the person entitled to execute, the debt is discharged. However, in my particular case, they still have the boe, I have been foreclosed on, and the judge openly admitted that he does not know the law and does not care. He further stated that he will rule his court the way he wants to. So where does one go from there... your shelter (home) is soon to be gone, you have no base of operation to continue the fight.... get the point... just as the bankers manifesto stated... quickly attack the mortgage lien and keep them homeless and they will be less likely to fight back...

There are resolutions to the problem... the problem is not necessarily the judges, the law or the corruption within the judiciary. If the corruption is kept out of the courtroom in the first place, then the judges have no reason to become corrupt or under their influence.. Go after the source... the Corporation... that is where the problem lies.

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Old 06-04-2005, 05:01 PM
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go here to get a good example of the quality of judges that are on the bench in Florida.

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/p...malCharges.pdf
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Old 06-05-2005, 12:27 AM
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Jerry,

Now that is some read! This judge truly thinks he is a monarch! I hope not for long.
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Old 06-05-2005, 12:21 PM
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Jerry Pitts wrote:

Go after the source... the Corporation... that is where the problem lies.



And how do you go after the Corporation?
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Old 06-05-2005, 01:12 PM
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Filiing a Common Law Complaint, else filing a Common Law Lien. Both or either will bring about endless debate within this forum as to the effectiveness or the legality, or even regarding the consequences from doing such.

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Old 06-05-2005, 01:35 PM
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What constitutes rejection by the bank?? Does it include a rejection letter and return of the CPN? Ive seen them send rejection letters but not return the instrument.
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BE extremely careful Jaylon. If the person to whom you have tendered a boe or cpn or other exotic instrument receives the instrument and does not either directly reject it or attempt to execute it, the final outcome of whether or not the debt is discharged, will be up to the judge that is inevetibly going to be sitting on the case..

As here in Florida.. the says exactly as you have stated.. if rejected by the person entitled to execute, the debt is discharged. However, in my particular case, they still have the boe, I have been foreclosed on, and the judge openly admitted that he does not know the law and does not care. He further stated that he will rule his court the way he wants to. So where does one go from there... your shelter (home) is soon to be gone, you have no base of operation to continue the fight.... get the point... just as the bankers manifesto stated... quickly attack the mortgage lien and keep them homeless and they will be less likely to fight back...

There are resolutions to the problem... the problem is not necessarily the judges, the law or the corruption within the judiciary. If the corruption is kept out of the courtroom in the first place, then the judges have no reason to become corrupt or under their influence.. Go after the source... the Corporation... that is where the problem lies.

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Old 06-05-2005, 01:43 PM
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Likewise Dash:

If in the case of a negotiable instrument, and they send written notice of a rejection, they are likewise required to return the instrument. If they don't, then at that point, they are un-authorized holders of a private negotiable instrument, and if the quantity is sufficient, can amount to a major felony.. if the instument is directed to John Snow, then their subesquent holding of the instrument is evidence of their intent to defraud the Treasury.

BUT

Who will prosecute? No-one... I have already contacted the FBI in regards to my situation, and they allege that no felony has been committed.

Such is life. Chalk up another one for the CORPORATION.. that is why I have started taking the stance that the only way to beat them is to beat the crap out of the CORPORATIONS... that is where the evil lies.

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Old 06-05-2005, 11:35 PM
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Likewise, I contacted the FBI Financial Crimes division, the District Attorney's Office the bank resides in and the one where my strawman resides in.
Nothing but letters claiming that it is a civil matter. But they never did state it WAS NOT A FELONY, which I pointed out to them! Which at the same time helps me in the fact that if they ever come after me for those documents (CPN's), well they have all ready stated the facts of their position.
Anyone have any take on Kevin Haddock's position on halding NI's?
Thanks anyway!

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Old 06-06-2005, 08:01 AM
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Question Promissory Note search?

Does anyone have any information on whether you can do a Promissory Note search?

I am wondering if you can actually find out if they have funded it? If so, and they still come after you, it can give you a good case for fraud/thievery.

I know people have had problems/issues with getting through thier situations and I hope the best for them.

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