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Old 07-06-2005, 04:57 PM
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How do you make a Debt Collectot Attorney wet his pants?

To Whom It May Concern:


You are in receipt of notice under the authority of The Fair Debt Collections Practices Act regarding your alleged file # 1042559. It is not now, nor has it ever been my intention to avoid paying any obligation that I lawfully owe; however I believe you are making a mistake in this matter. You have no valid claim in this matter, just as DISCOVER BANK has no verified claim and cannot exert a remedy. Nevertheless, since you have sent a presentment and you allege that you are authorized to act on behalf of DISCOVER BANK, you will now need to dig yourself out of the hole you currently have put yourself in. You are hereby given notice that you are estopped from pursuing collection efforts on behalf of [DISCOVER BANK] in respect of account # 6011004710694932. This account has been satisfied in full by way of accord and satisfaction and a concurrent administrative procedure resulting in collateral estopple, judgment by estopple and estopple by acquiescence. Your collection efforts are thus deemed void abinitio.

In addition to this account being satisfied in full by way of accord and satisfaction, two Certified Promissory Notes were tendered, which were not returned, henceforth discharging the alleged debt. Per UCC 3-104 a Certified Promissory Note fulfills the legal definition of a negotiable instrument and discharges any alleged debt, if said alleged debt is verified/validated; which it is not. Also under public policy (House Joint Resolution 192 of June 5, 1933), a debt is discharged upon tender of payment, even if it is not accepted.

In order for you to properly understand what you are required to do pursuant to federal law, I will spell it out for you. The reason I say this is because, as an attorney I would think you would know and understand the law, however the fact that you are sending out unsubstantiated demands for payment, shows that you are either ignorant or oblivious to Federal Law as codified at 15 USC § 1692 et seq.:

Verification/Validation is defined as: “Confirmation of correctness, truth, or authenticity, by affidavit, oath, or deposition. Affidavit of truth of matter stated and object of verification is to assure good faith in averments or statements of party.” Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition,1990.

This means a debt collector must swear “true, correct, and complete” (equivalent of “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth,” i.e. testimony) that verifies exchange of valuable consideration that allows him to demand repayment. Your client, DISCOVER BANK loaned nothing of substance, only credit (air) which is nothing more than a digital impulse on a computer screen. Neither you nor your client can verify a loan of substance; hence neither one of you can issue an affidavit of any relevance. As well as the impossibility of providing bona fide verification of the debt, you and your client are faced with other constraints besides the FDCPA:

(a) Privacy Act of 1974, as lawfully amended, 12 U.S.C. § 3401;
(b) Right to Financial Privacy Act of 1978, as lawfully amended, 5 U.S.C. § 552a; and
(c) Third Party Summons Act, special procedures, 26 U.S.C. § 7609.

Pursuant to the FDCPA, you have thirty (30) days to document and verify this alleged “debt” by complying in good faith with this request for validation and notice that I dispute part of, or all of the alleged debt.


1. Please furnish a copy of the original promissory note redacting my social security number to prevent identity theft and state under penalty of perjury that your client named above is the holder in due coarse of the promissory note and will produce the original for my own and a judge’s inspection should there be a trial to contest these matters.
2. Please produce the account and general ledger statement showing the full accounting of the alleged obligation that you are now attempting to collect.
3. Please identify by name and address all persons, corporations, associations, or any other parties having an interest in legal proceedings regarding the alleged debt.
4. Please verify under penalty of perjury, that as a debt collector, you have not purchased evidence of debt and are proceeding with collection activity in the name of the original maker of the note.
5. Please verify under penalty of perjury that you know and understand that certain business clauses in a contract of adhesion, such as a so-called forum selection clause, are unenforceable unless the party to whom the contract is extended could have rejected the clause without impunity.
6. Please verify under penalty of perjury that you know and understand that credit card contracts are a series of continuing offers to contract and as such are non-transferable.
7. Please provide verification from the stated creditor that you are authorized to act for them.
8. Please verify that you know and understand that contacting me again after receipt of this notice without providing procedurally proper validation of the debt constitutes the use of interstate communications in a scheme of fraud by advancing a writing, which you know is false with the intention that others rely on the written communication to their detriment.

Should you pursue further collection efforts in respect of this account I shall notify the Attorney General as well as the Federal Trade Commission and or pursue litigation against you. In my opinion, your bar card cannot withstand a claim in the Federal Jurisdiction pertaining to an Unsecured Debt, especially when you have no valid claim. I don’t even want to mention what could happen if a Racketeering suit were to be brought to the table.

I know as well as you that you have lost; this is not a matter of opinion. I have every intention of litigating once the thirty (30) days expire; which I may add is the lawful time frame you have to validate this debt. I also noticed that you chose to address me only in an all capitol letters version of name. I am not a corporation or a government-created fiction; I do not give you permission to make a legal determination about me or the entity you are accosting; you have failed to provide evidence of a contract between: JAYLON© and DISCOVER BANK OR ERIC M. BERMAN, P.C., also evidence of your consideration, and you have failed to sign your offer to contract under penalty of perjury. Said failure constitutes your agreement that you are a third party interloper, you have no legal standing, no first-hand knowledge of the matter, and your claim is fraudulent. If you pass/sell this account to some other unsuspecting party, I will conclude that you are willfully joining the scheme of DISCOVER BANK and will report you to the IRS along with DISCOVER BANK. A tort claim to the IRS and to the Department of Justice will follow.

In order to satisfy my needs and to rectify this while it is still in the private sector, I am willing to settle this matter and save us both the aggravation of fighting this out in court, although it wouldn’t be much of a fight in my opinion, I am willing to settle this matter out of court upon:


1. A check in the amount of $1,000.00*
2. Receipt of a letter stating the alleged account will not be sold or transferred to another company.
3. Receipt of a letter stating the account has been satisfied in full, and that your collection efforts have ceased.

COUNTS

* ERIC M. BERMAN, P.C. failed to validate alleged debt; however ERIC M. BERMAN, P.C. continued to pursue collection efforts violating Jaylon©’s consumer protection rights afforded by the FDCPA.

Precedent/Law: FDCPA Section 809(b)
Fine: $1,000.00

It is my sincere hope that you will take heed to this attempt to rectify your commercial dishonor and we can come to a resolution that is mutually beneficial. If you think that this is a game or a joke, please allow the (30) thirty days to expire. I have an extensive paper trail and all of my correspondences will have a signature of you or one of your authorized agents verifying that you received each and every piece of mail that will be sent via U.S.P.O. Certified Mail with return receipt requested. Please govern yourself accordingly . . .

Sincerely,



Jaylon©
Authorized representative for JAYLON©
W.O.P. UCC1-207



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Old 07-06-2005, 07:03 PM
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Jaylon,

Very Interesting. Since you wrote this letter I am assuming you have a lawsuit filed against you already right? Have you used this letter yet? What were your results? One more thing, Can you tell me what the WOP in "W.O.P. UCC1-207" stands for? Thanks

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Old 07-06-2005, 07:21 PM
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Jaylon:

Please consider dropping the copyright symbol senor, if at all you may consider using the TM symbol, however when you boil it all down it is not necessary in this instance. The trademark issue can be considered in part as a "flanking measure", more so for intimidation purposes -- the reality is though that unless you are up for the challenge "collection" is not happening.
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Old 07-06-2005, 07:28 PM
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Jaylon,

Very Interesting. Since you wrote this letter I am assuming you have a lawsuit filed against you already right? Have you used this letter yet? What were your results? One more thing, Can you tell me what the WOP in "W.O.P. UCC1-207" stands for? Thanks

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W.O.P. stands for without prejudice. All that is needed though is with reservation of rights or similar wording and leave UCC1-207 off..
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Old 07-06-2005, 07:34 PM
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Bye, and thanks for all the fish.

Hope you enjoy the ride through the meat grinder.

You might have had a valid agrument and might have even prevailed, but you've thrown erroneous legal chum into the water.

Let us know if the paramedics are able to keep you alive.

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Old 07-06-2005, 07:39 PM
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Hope you enjoy the ride through the meat grinder.

You might have had a valid agrument and might have even prevailed, but you've thrown erroneous legal chum into the water.

Let us know if the paramedics are able to keep you alive.

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He he he he he. Very funny!!. Be more specific on your commentary.
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He he he he he. Very funny!!. Be more specific on your commentary.

"In addition to this account being satisfied in full by way of accord and satisfaction, two Certified Promissory Notes were tendered, which were not returned, henceforth discharging the alleged debt."

Apparently the author assumes some form of originality as well as a seemingly god-like authority to make stuff up.

I guess half the fun for these kinds of bogus efforts is measuring how long the process can be drawn out.

In the mean time, court dockets with cases that may save thousands of people's homes are clogged with this kind of nonsense.

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Old 07-06-2005, 09:19 PM
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In addition to this account being satisfied in full by way of accord and satisfaction, two Certified Promissory Notes were tendered, which were not returned, henceforth discharging the alleged debt. Per UCC 3-104 a Certified Promissory Note fulfills the legal definition of a negotiable instrument and discharges any alleged debt, if said alleged debt is verified/validated; which it is not. Also under public policy (House Joint Resolution 192 of June 5, 1933), a debt is discharged upon tender of payment, even if it is not accepted.



I'VE BEEN TOLD CONDITIONAL PROMISSORY NOTES HAVE NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER. THE DOREAN GROUP HAS USED CONDITIONAL PN'S AND BONDS AND THEY ARE IGNORED BY THE BANKS.

HJR192 SAYS PAYMENT SHOULD BE DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR.
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JUDGE ROY BEAN?

Although many colorful characters have become legends of the Old West, "Hanging Judge Roy Bean," who held court sessions in his saloon along the Rio Grande River in a desolate stretch of the Chihuahuan Desert of West Texas, remains one of the more fascinating (Judge Roy Bean is pictured above).

According to the myth, Roy Bean named his saloon and town after the love of his life, Lily Langtry, a British actress he'd never met. Calling himself the "Law West of the Pecos," he is reputed to have kept a pet bear in his courtroom (see photo of courtroom above) and sentenced dozens to the gallows, saying "Hang 'em first, try 'em later." Like most such legends, separating fact from fiction is not always so easy.

WESTERN RAMBLINGS

Roy Bean was born in Mason County, Kentucky about 1825. Some records suggest Roy Bean was born in 1823. At age 15 he left home to follow two older brothers west seeking adventure. With Brother Sam, he joined a wagon train into New Mexico, then crossed the Rio Grande and set up a trading post in Chihuahua, Mexico. After killing a local hombre, Roy fled to California, to stay with his brother Joshua, who would soon become the first mayor of San Diego.

There, Roy developed a reputation for bragging, dueling and gambling on cockfights. Mayor Josh Bean appointed Roy a lieutenant in the state militia and bartender of the Headquarters, his own saloon. In 1852, Roy was arrested after wounding a man in a duel. He escaped, and after Mayor Josh was killed a few months later by a rival in a romantic triangle, Roy headed back to New Mexico where brother Sam Bean had become a sheriff.

Roy tended bar in Sam's saloon for several years while smuggling guns from Mexico through the Union blockade during the Civil War. Afterward, he married a Mexican teenager and settled in San Antonio, where throughout the 1870s, he supported 5 children by peddling stolen firewood and selling watered-down milk. His notorious business practices eventually earned his San Antonio neighborhood the nickname Beanville.

WEST OF THE PECOS

In 1882, the Galveston, Harrisburg and San Antonio Railroad hired crews to link San Antonio with El Paso, Texas across 530 miles of scorching Chihuahuan Desert, infested with bobcats, rattlesnakes and scorpions (locally called vinegaroons by local Texans). Fleeing his marriage and illegal businesses in San Antonio, Roy headed to Vinegaroon to become a saloonkeeper, serving railroad workers whiskey from a tent. As his own best customer, he was often drunk and disorderly.

But with the nearest courtroom a week's ride away, and County Commissioners eager to establish some sort of local law enforcement. They appointed Roy Bean Justice of the Peace for Precinct No. 6, Pecos County, Texas. Roy was just crazy, or drunk enough to accept. He packed up and moved north from Vinegaroon to a small tent city on a bluff above the Rio Grande named Langtry in honor of a railroad boss who had run the Southern Pacific's tracks through it.

The name also happened to belong to a beautiful British actress, Lillie Langtry Roy had read about and become enchanted with. Roy built a small saloon, he named the Jersey Lilly (Lillie's moniker) which also served as his home. He hung a tattered picture of Miss Lillie behind the bar, and above the door, posted signs proclaiming "ICE COLD BEER" and "LAW WEST OF THE PECOS." From here Roy Bean began dispensing liquor, justice and various tall tales, including that he himself had named the town for actress Lillie Langtry.

DISPENSER OF "JUSTICE"

Roy Bean's justice was not complicated by legalities; it was characterized by greed, prejudice, a little common sense and lots of colorful language. "It is the judgment of this court that you are hereby tried and convicted of illegally and unlawfully committing certain grave offenses against the peace and dignity of the State of Texas, particularly in my bailiwick," was a typical Bean ruling. "I fine you two dollars; then get the hell out of here and never show yourself in this court again. That's my rulin'."


One of Bean's most outrageous rulings occurred when an Irishman was accused of killing a Chinese worker. Friends of the accused threatened to destroy the Jersey Lilly if he was found guilty. Court in session, Bean browsed through his law book, turning page after page, searching for another legal precedent. Finally, rapping his pistol on the bar, he proclaimed, "Gentlemen, I find the law very explicit on murdering your fellow man, but there's nothing here about killing a Chinaman. Case dismissed."

In legend, Judge Roy Bean is a merciless dispenser of justice, often called "The Hangin' Judge." But that title goes to Isaac Parker of Fort Smith, Arkansas, who sentenced 172 men to hang and actually strung up 88 of them. In his book "Judge Roy Bean Country," Jack Skiles says that although Bean threatened to hang hundreds, "there's no evidence to suggest that Judge Roy Bean ever hung anybody." One or two were sentenced and taken to the gallows, but allowed to escape.

Despite his self-serving antics, Roy was duly elected to the office in 1884 and often reelected, so that between 1882 and 1902, most of Roy's bizarre rulings were the law. Except for an occasional murder, his cases consisted mostly of misdemeanor counts of drunkenness and the crimes of smalltime con men like himself.

Roy spent most of his days sitting on the porch of his saloon, with rifle handy. In his spare time, he served customers. His favorites were railroad passengers, desperate for something to drink while the train took on water. Bean served them quickly, then lingered before giving them their change. When the train's warning whistle blew, customers swore and demanded their change. Roy then fined them the exact amount and sent them cursing back to their railroad cars.

BIRTH OF A LEGEND

In 1898, prizefighting had become illegal in most Western states, as it was in Mexico, and promoters could find nowhere to hold the world championship title bout between Bob Fitzsimmons and Peter Maher. On February 22, the Jersey Lilly was packed with 200 fight fans who, after a few rounds of drinks, followed Roy to a bridge he built to a sand bar in the Rio Grande River. While Texas Rangers watched the makeshift ring helplessly from atop the bluff, Fitzsimmons decked Maher in only 95 seconds. After returning to the saloon for more drinks, the fans and sportswriters headed for El Paso, where news stories were filed to papers throughout the U.S.

This event launched the birth of the Roy Bean legend, which burgeoned after continued newspaper and dime novel accounts of his exploits, many fabricated by Roy himself. The myth of Roy Bean eventually became part of Texas folklore. In 1936, the Texas Centennial Fairgrounds displayed replicas of Roy's saloon and office. In 1940, Walter Brennan received an academy award for his portrayal of Roy Bean opposite Gary Cooper. In 1956, Edgar Buchanan played him in a weekly TV series, and in the 1972, Paul Newman portrayed him in the movie, The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean.

MISS LILLIE

For years, Roy boasted of his "acquaintance with Miss Langtry," and promised locals she would one day arrive and sing in Langtry. In 1896, after his first saloon was destroyed by fire, Roy rebuilt the Jersey Lilly and constructed a home for himself across the street, which he called the Opera House, anticipating the day when Lillie would perform there. Roy never met Miss Lillie, but he often wrote her, and she is purported to have written back, even sending him 2 pistols, which he cherished till his dying day.

Contrary to the Larry McMurtry novel and movie Streets Of Laredo, Roy was not gunned down by a Mexican outlaw on the steps of the Jersey Lilly. In March 1903, Roy went on a drinking binge in Del Rio and simply died peacefully in his bed the following morning.

Ten months later, the Southern Pacific stopped at Langtry and finally disgorged Lillie herself on the way from New Orleans to San Francisco. She had decided to take the judge up on his invitation. She visited the saloon and listened as locals told her how Roy Bean had fined a corpse, freed a murderer and lined his pockets by shortchanging train passengers. "It was a short visit," Lillie later wrote in her autobiography, "but an unforgettable one."

LANGTRY TODAY

These days, almost 100,000 sightseers visit Langtry each year. Tourists from all over the world arrive by car, train and tour bus, seeking the romance of the American West. "Where's your hangin' tree?" is their most common question. But from the steps of the Jersey Lily saloon, one can only see the remnants of an old mesquite tree, a dozen sad and dusty buildings and the hot, unforgiving Chihuahuan Desert all about. The nearest courtroom is in Del Rio, 50 miles away.


Whelp, sounds about right man...
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JUDGE ROY BEAN?

Although many colorful characters have become legends of the Old West, "Hanging Judge Roy Bean," who held court sessions in his saloon along the Rio Grande River in a desolate stretch of the Chihuahuan Desert of West Texas, remains one of the more fascinating (Judge Roy Bean is pictured above).

According to the myth, Roy Bean named his saloon and town after the love of his life, Lily Langtry, a British actress he'd never met. Calling himself the "Law West of the Pecos," he is reputed to have kept a pet bear in his courtroom (see photo of courtroom above) and sentenced dozens to the gallows, saying "Hang 'em first, try 'em later." Like most such legends, separating fact from fiction is not always so easy.

WESTERN RAMBLINGS

Roy Bean was born in Mason County, Kentucky about 1825. Some records suggest Roy Bean was born in 1823. At age 15 he left home to follow two older brothers west seeking adventure. With Brother Sam, he joined a wagon train into New Mexico, then crossed the Rio Grande and set up a trading post in Chihuahua, Mexico. After killing a local hombre, Roy fled to California, to stay with his brother Joshua, who would soon become the first mayor of San Diego.

There, Roy developed a reputation for bragging, dueling and gambling on cockfights. Mayor Josh Bean appointed Roy a lieutenant in the state militia and bartender of the Headquarters, his own saloon. In 1852, Roy was arrested after wounding a man in a duel. He escaped, and after Mayor Josh was killed a few months later by a rival in a romantic triangle, Roy headed back to New Mexico where brother Sam Bean had become a sheriff.

Roy tended bar in Sam's saloon for several years while smuggling guns from Mexico through the Union blockade during the Civil War. Afterward, he married a Mexican teenager and settled in San Antonio, where throughout the 1870s, he supported 5 children by peddling stolen firewood and selling watered-down milk. His notorious business practices eventually earned his San Antonio neighborhood the nickname Beanville.

WEST OF THE PECOS

In 1882, the Galveston, Harrisburg and San Antonio Railroad hired crews to link San Antonio with El Paso, Texas across 530 miles of scorching Chihuahuan Desert, infested with bobcats, rattlesnakes and scorpions (locally called vinegaroons by local Texans). Fleeing his marriage and illegal businesses in San Antonio, Roy headed to Vinegaroon to become a saloonkeeper, serving railroad workers whiskey from a tent. As his own best customer, he was often drunk and disorderly.

But with the nearest courtroom a week's ride away, and County Commissioners eager to establish some sort of local law enforcement. They appointed Roy Bean Justice of the Peace for Precinct No. 6, Pecos County, Texas. Roy was just crazy, or drunk enough to accept. He packed up and moved north from Vinegaroon to a small tent city on a bluff above the Rio Grande named Langtry in honor of a railroad boss who had run the Southern Pacific's tracks through it.

The name also happened to belong to a beautiful British actress, Lillie Langtry Roy had read about and become enchanted with. Roy built a small saloon, he named the Jersey Lilly (Lillie's moniker) which also served as his home. He hung a tattered picture of Miss Lillie behind the bar, and above the door, posted signs proclaiming "ICE COLD BEER" and "LAW WEST OF THE PECOS." From here Roy Bean began dispensing liquor, justice and various tall tales, including that he himself had named the town for actress Lillie Langtry.

DISPENSER OF "JUSTICE"

Roy Bean's justice was not complicated by legalities; it was characterized by greed, prejudice, a little common sense and lots of colorful language. "It is the judgment of this court that you are hereby tried and convicted of illegally and unlawfully committing certain grave offenses against the peace and dignity of the State of Texas, particularly in my bailiwick," was a typical Bean ruling. "I fine you two dollars; then get the hell out of here and never show yourself in this court again. That's my rulin'."


One of Bean's most outrageous rulings occurred when an Irishman was accused of killing a Chinese worker. Friends of the accused threatened to destroy the Jersey Lilly if he was found guilty. Court in session, Bean browsed through his law book, turning page after page, searching for another legal precedent. Finally, rapping his pistol on the bar, he proclaimed, "Gentlemen, I find the law very explicit on murdering your fellow man, but there's nothing here about killing a Chinaman. Case dismissed."

In legend, Judge Roy Bean is a merciless dispenser of justice, often called "The Hangin' Judge." But that title goes to Isaac Parker of Fort Smith, Arkansas, who sentenced 172 men to hang and actually strung up 88 of them. In his book "Judge Roy Bean Country," Jack Skiles says that although Bean threatened to hang hundreds, "there's no evidence to suggest that Judge Roy Bean ever hung anybody." One or two were sentenced and taken to the gallows, but allowed to escape.

Despite his self-serving antics, Roy was duly elected to the office in 1884 and often reelected, so that between 1882 and 1902, most of Roy's bizarre rulings were the law. Except for an occasional murder, his cases consisted mostly of misdemeanor counts of drunkenness and the crimes of smalltime con men like himself.

Roy spent most of his days sitting on the porch of his saloon, with rifle handy. In his spare time, he served customers. His favorites were railroad passengers, desperate for something to drink while the train took on water. Bean served them quickly, then lingered before giving them their change. When the train's warning whistle blew, customers swore and demanded their change. Roy then fined them the exact amount and sent them cursing back to their railroad cars.

BIRTH OF A LEGEND

In 1898, prizefighting had become illegal in most Western states, as it was in Mexico, and promoters could find nowhere to hold the world championship title bout between Bob Fitzsimmons and Peter Maher. On February 22, the Jersey Lilly was packed with 200 fight fans who, after a few rounds of drinks, followed Roy to a bridge he built to a sand bar in the Rio Grande River. While Texas Rangers watched the makeshift ring helplessly from atop the bluff, Fitzsimmons decked Maher in only 95 seconds. After returning to the saloon for more drinks, the fans and sportswriters headed for El Paso, where news stories were filed to papers throughout the U.S.

This event launched the birth of the Roy Bean legend, which burgeoned after continued newspaper and dime novel accounts of his exploits, many fabricated by Roy himself. The myth of Roy Bean eventually became part of Texas folklore. In 1936, the Texas Centennial Fairgrounds displayed replicas of Roy's saloon and office. In 1940, Walter Brennan received an academy award for his portrayal of Roy Bean opposite Gary Cooper. In 1956, Edgar Buchanan played him in a weekly TV series, and in the 1972, Paul Newman portrayed him in the movie, The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean.

MISS LILLIE

For years, Roy boasted of his "acquaintance with Miss Langtry," and promised locals she would one day arrive and sing in Langtry. In 1896, after his first saloon was destroyed by fire, Roy rebuilt the Jersey Lilly and constructed a home for himself across the street, which he called the Opera House, anticipating the day when Lillie would perform there. Roy never met Miss Lillie, but he often wrote her, and she is purported to have written back, even sending him 2 pistols, which he cherished till his dying day.

Contrary to the Larry McMurtry novel and movie Streets Of Laredo, Roy was not gunned down by a Mexican outlaw on the steps of the Jersey Lilly. In March 1903, Roy went on a drinking binge in Del Rio and simply died peacefully in his bed the following morning.

Ten months later, the Southern Pacific stopped at Langtry and finally disgorged Lillie herself on the way from New Orleans to San Francisco. She had decided to take the judge up on his invitation. She visited the saloon and listened as locals told her how Roy Bean had fined a corpse, freed a murderer and lined his pockets by shortchanging train passengers. "It was a short visit," Lillie later wrote in her autobiography, "but an unforgettable one."

LANGTRY TODAY

These days, almost 100,000 sightseers visit Langtry each year. Tourists from all over the world arrive by car, train and tour bus, seeking the romance of the American West. "Where's your hangin' tree?" is their most common question. But from the steps of the Jersey Lily saloon, one can only see the remnants of an old mesquite tree, a dozen sad and dusty buildings and the hot, unforgiving Chihuahuan Desert all about. The nearest courtroom is in Del Rio, 50 miles away.


Whelp, sounds about right man...
O mine!!!!!!. Unbelievable!!!. I don't no what to say, In fact Iam speechless. Judge Roy Bean, you busted. I will wait for your rebattual on this one.
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