11-06-2005, 06:45 PM
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11-06-2005, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean
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I really hope that bend over link was posted in sarcasm.
After reading "What You'd Better Know Before You Hire A Criminal Attorney", I get the impression the bend over site is there for laughs. The choice domain name itself got thinking it was a joke, and after clicking, I got the laughs I was expecting.
Take this exerpt for example:
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Originally Posted by bend over
Question #1: Why do I need a lawyer? Why can’t I just represent myself?
Answer #1: You can’t afford not to. No judge will allow you (a non attorney) to represent yourself. There are just too many pitfalls, too many landmines. Too many ways that you can hurt yourself. Too many legal issues that will trip you up and could haunt you for years to come.
Legally, you have the right to represent yourself, but you set yourself up for too many legal heartaches.
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So the question was why get a lawyer? His initial reason is that no judge will allow you to represent yourself. If that is the case, wouldn't the good judge inform you of that? Apparently not, because in the next paragraph that claim is contradicted by the statement that "you do have the right to represent yourself."
But then, those giving the advice apparently do not believe or understand that there is any difference between rights and state granted privileges.
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Originally Posted by bend over
Question #2: What are the consequences of having a criminal record?
Answer #2: The consequences of having a criminal record are infinite. First and foremost, your personal freedoms and rights as a citizen are at risk. A criminal conviction will affect your ability to seek gainful employment, ability to drive, ability to find housing, voting rights, ability to sit as a juror, ability to travel freely, entrance into institutions of higher learning, ownership of firearms, even the right to be with your children unsupervised. In some cases involving sexual allegations, you may be forced to register as a sex offender for life. A criminal conviction will cost you personally and financially. The financial burden of a criminal conviction will be tremendous and long lasting. Finally, a criminal conviction can affect your personal relationships with friends and loved ones, the effect of which can be psychologically devastating.
My job as your attorney is to protect your rights, to look after your best interests, and to help get you through a system that is already stacked against you.
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Rights cannot be taken, only violated. Privileges can be taken.
Don't they teach this in law school?
I could go on - but what is the point? The entire article was written not to educate with useful information, but rather it uses emotional tactics to frighten, ie: " legal heartaches", "psychologically devastating."
If you believe this rubbish, then just do what the domain name says, BEND OVER!
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When a statute, code, or court holding changes tomorrow, does reality change? Does truth change? Does right and wrong change?
If so, there are no absolutes, and the only logical conclusion is that reality, truth, and right and wrong are determined arbitrarily on a daily basis by those with the most power, guns, and money, and the rest of us can choose to run, fight, or be their slaves.
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11-07-2005, 07:43 AM
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Sui - you missed the point - the suggestion is for "criminal" law, and Ben's advice is sound. The very few criminal cases where a judge finally allows some fool to represent himself almost always end up with either incarceration or incarceration and then an appeal.
As for "rights" being taken, you're trying to count the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. Call it whatever you like, many of your "rights" are out of your reach, unavailable, compromised, gone, etc., when you're convicted of a crime.
For example, even in a probationary status if you're not imprisoned, you may not have the "right" to live where you want for some period of time. You may not have the right to own or purchase a firearm. If you're convicted of financial crimes, you may no longer have the right to choose that as a career. If you drove a vehicle for a living, you may not have the "right" to choose that as a profession any more. Those are not priveleges - those are rights non-criminals have.
Some or all of those rights may be restored post-release, but the risk of losing them, even temporarily, is far too great to leave your future in your own hands at trial.
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11-07-2005, 02:28 PM
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So "hire" some drunken bar member imbecile to "represent you"? They will represent you all right: right out of your dough and right out of control of your own life. Yes the deck is stacked by the generations of bar member & "laws" they have stuffed down everyones throats but there is NO promise that some bar member is going to save the day either. A person should be versed enuff in the "law" to know when the idiot that is "representing" them is some chump that doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground(99&9/10% of 'em I think from my own personal observation) so you can at least see the train coming down the track at you. It seems the whole system is based on lies, distortions & deceptions and slight of hand trickery, oh and don't forget the "fraternal secret societies" involvement in all of this judical trash either. Bottom line: if you got dough, you roll, if you don't, your sunk. Period. Lawyers Suck!
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11-07-2005, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean
Sui - you missed the point - the suggestion is for "criminal" law, and Ben's advice is sound. The very few criminal cases where a judge finally allows some fool to represent himself almost always end up with either incarceration or incarceration and then an appeal.
As for "rights" being taken, you're trying to count the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. Call it whatever you like, many of your "rights" are out of your reach, unavailable, compromised, gone, etc., when you're convicted of a crime.
For example, even in a probationary status if you're not imprisoned, you may not have the "right" to live where you want for some period of time. You may not have the right to own or purchase a firearm. If you're convicted of financial crimes, you may no longer have the right to choose that as a career. If you drove a vehicle for a living, you may not have the "right" to choose that as a profession any more. Those are not priveleges - those are rights non-criminals have.
Some or all of those rights may be restored post-release, but the risk of losing them, even temporarily, is far too great to leave your future in your own hands at trial.
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umm hello all
i must start out by saying That when i joined this site i didnt think i would be seeing such "double speak"
Roy Bean
1)are you an actrual judge??
2)Do you know anything about common law?
3)the difference between a right and a privilege?
AND this may be to outforward for some but i feel i need to speak my mind so here we go...
4)If you are a judge why do you not know or why are you not telling us the truth about there being no criminal courts or civil court its all admialty, cormmercial law(commerce) (contract law). well actrully thats a lie too im sorry the law of any given court is how the judge feels at that time.
I have heard of very few judges that uphold statutery law if you call that mess law let alone common law.
also a little thing to add is that all courts including criminal and equity (changed to civil) are to be held under common law.
2) I find it _______ that here on this site no one is catching you in your misinterpritation of privelige and rights..
I could go all day bout this one part but i think anyone can see that where he mentions rights it looks repungnant and i hope no one takes this serious.
3)okie i looked at the one site Suijuris pointed out www.bendover.com
Oh my where do i start umm how can i say this politly Its a pile of steaming you know what..... cmon people speak out when you see this.
okie thats enough im tired of looking at your lies its more like almost all cases a man gets council he has to bend over.
you are either very misinformed or you are trying to pass disinformation here.
must be one of the two.
Ill end this with my favorite site where if you like disinformation you wront like this site.
i highly recommend to even the people who have been researching the true law information for years.
Its not a forum allthough forum is in its name.
http://freedomforumoc.tripod.com/fre...endedlinks.htm
Hope this site helps someone and Judge Roy Bean if you are just misguided please do your self a favor go here learn the truth.
also if you feel i insulted you in anway it was not ment as an insult or attack on you but what was posted above...
Good Luck
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11-07-2005, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by masterduke
So "hire" some drunken bar member imbecile to "represent you"? They will represent you all right: right out of your dough and right out of control of your own life. Yes the deck is stacked by the generations of bar member & "laws" they have stuffed down everyones throats but there is NO promise that some bar member is going to save the day either. A person should be versed enuff in the "law" to know when the idiot that is "representing" them is some chump that doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground(99&9/10% of 'em I think from my own personal observation) so you can at least see the train coming down the track at you. It seems the whole system is based on lies, distortions & deceptions and slight of hand trickery, oh and don't forget the "fraternal secret societies" involvement in all of this judical trash either. Bottom line: if you got dough, you roll, if you don't, your sunk. Period. Lawyers Suck!
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11-07-2005, 03:54 PM
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right on masterduke
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11-07-2005, 04:03 PM
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you sent only 2 private messages right?
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