Check this out

[masterduke]

Found a website for and catering to debt attorneys and their ilk
www.clla.org/ they have some downloads as well as other stuff to help the "debt professional" in collections as well as insights to how they can defeat FDCPA act and the "new" B.K. laws coming in Oct.

[charlesa6]

Originally Posted by masterduke

Found a website for and catering to debt attorneys and their ilk
www.clla.org/ they have some downloads as well as other stuff to help the "debt professional" in collections as well as insights to how they can defeat FDCPA act and the "new" B.K. laws coming in Oct.

Hummmmm! good info.

[Ice]

Note this statement in their Position Paper re FDCPA:

"That stated intent takes on an illusory quality when the FDCPA is interpreted to preclude the legitimate class of debt collectors from seeking or enforcing judgments in the courts."

I'll leave it to you to decide what kind of "judgments" they are attempting to "enforce" in the courts (are they previously decided "court" judgments or "administrative" judgments?). Could the answer arrive at a conclusion as to why so many are steamrolled in the courts by debt collectors?

Ice

[masterduke]

Ice, with the two "plaintiff" system we have in this "country" its no wonder that so many are steamrolled. From my very limited experince it is pretty much a pre-determined outcome, and the "plaintiff" in the black robe and the
"plaintiff" debt attorney are just going thru the motions to give the "appearence" of "justice". (which was ruled by the "supreme" court as the only obligation that the courts had to render) When you look at the public document filed with SEC the Prospectus that ALL of these debt instruments operate under, states in the document, that all recievables that are taken in and all future recievables are treated as a "sale" to the trust and as such those recievables are Immediately transfered to the trust and the cc/bank/etc. are "servicers" of the trust only. So they have already been "paid" by the "trust" since it is recorded in their own documents as a "sale" so that the investment poole share holders can get their dough. Of course its listed as a "debt" for them
and as such affords them tax write offs and shelters. What a shell game!

[masterduke]

The publication that those battling debt attnys may find useful.
This is for the "state of michigan" but I'm sure there are comparable books in other law librarys. It is kept behind the counter so you have to ask the librarian for it and you may have to sign for it (here in mich, anyway)
its titled "Handling the Collection Case in Michigan; A Creditors Guide by a
Steve Harms. This is a step by step guide to setting up and running your own debt attny office as well as "scripts" for court room procedures and all sorts of info for the wonderful debt attny. to use to "insure" his/her success in the honorable profession of debt collection. Arguements against, pretty much evey angle that this forum has brought up to battle these clowns. They do say its not bullet proof!
When certain circumstance arise, they even try to "warn" the debt attny about
accepting payments with special stipulations, etc. as people have "won" their cases against debt attnys with these, regardless of the arguements presented. This book is worth a look just to understand what the enemy camp is planning to do. An Interesting note: the "client" who hires the debt attny, when he does not pay the lawyer, they advise the use of common law Liens against the client. Also a "charging Lien" can be used to get a judgement against a client. So liens do work! if Mr. debt attny can use them
to secure payment from his client, why can't we do the same thing??????
Seems old Roy may not know everything after all

[brozer5]

http://www.icle.org/store/book.cfm?P...ODE=2003551710

[masterduke]

Thanks Brozer, here is another lawyer list american lawyers quaterly at
www.alqlist.com/. Lets see whats there?