Banks, Collectors, and CRAs Discuss the elimationa of secured and unsecured "debt", as well as tactics for dealing with debt collectors and credit reporting agencies.


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Old 08-20-2005, 07:04 PM
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man, i didnt know the treasury admitted you cannot force anyone to use federal reserve notes at their website. look under the faqs for this:
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I thought that United States currency was legal tender for all debts. Some businesses or governmental agencies say that they will only accept checks, money orders or credit cards as payment, and others will only accept currency notes in denominations of $20 or smaller. Isn't this illegal?

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The pertinent portion of law that applies to your question is the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," which states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.
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Old 08-20-2005, 09:14 PM
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man, i didnt know the treasury admitted you cannot force anyone to use federal reserve notes at their website. look under the faqs for this:

But they ARE "forcing" you to use FRNS. If the merchant will not accept your gold or silver then they are forcing you to use FRNS.

Bottom line is that a money order was paid by federal reserve notes, a check was paid by federal reserve notes, and a credit card is paid by FRNs (check or money order). CC companies will not accept your gold or silver. And, just because a gas station will not accept your $20 doesn't mean they don't accept FRNs.
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Old 08-20-2005, 09:42 PM
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Merchants that do not accept gold or silver coin as payment are doing business with the federal reserve bank. Banks will not do business with a merchant with a bag full of gold or silver for deposit. Because of the banks, merchants are FORCED to accept FRNs.
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Old 08-21-2005, 07:45 AM
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Merchants that do not accept gold or silver coin as payment are doing business with the federal reserve bank. Banks will not do business with a merchant with a bag full of gold or silver for deposit. Because of the banks, merchants are FORCED to accept FRNs.

Nonsense.

Merchants get to make their own choices on what they'll accept and they don't have to do business with a bank if they choose not to.
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Old 08-21-2005, 08:12 AM
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Notice what didn't get labeled nonsense.
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Old 08-21-2005, 09:31 AM
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Nonsense.

Merchants get to make their own choices on what they'll accept and they don't have to do business with a bank if they choose not to.


Ask any merchant if they thought they had a choice on what they'll accept.

If they choose to accept gold or silver as payment they cannot do business with a bank.
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Old 08-21-2005, 12:46 PM
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Ask any merchant if they thought they had a choice on what they'll accept.

If they choose to accept gold or silver as payment they cannot do business with a bank.

More nonsense. It is up to them to determine the scope of the customer base by regulating what they will or won't accept. If they turn down gold or silver that's simply an unwillingness to go to the effort of being prepared to deal in it and has nothing to do with their bank relationship.
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Old 08-21-2005, 01:11 PM
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about time me and the judge agree on something. merchants take food stamps dont they?
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Old 08-21-2005, 01:15 PM
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More nonsense. It is up to them to determine the scope of the customer base by regulating what they will or won't accept.

You are unconscious, JRB. As I said: Ask any merchant if they they had a CHOICE on what they'll accept.



If they turn down gold or silver that's simply an unwillingness to go to the effort of being prepared to deal in it and has nothing to do with their bank relationship.


An unwillingness to go to the effort of being prepared is a CHOICE (albeit an unconscious one).

If they were never OFFERED A CHOICE to begin with, the unwillingness to go to the effort of being prepared to deal in it, is an EXCUSE, IE., not the real reason they won't accept gold or silver.
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