Thumbprints at Banks

OK, My mind is going on this full bore all the time, 24-7, so I am wondering how to keep a bank from obtaining your private property, your thumbprint.(lots of banks around here require a thumbprint if you do not have an account at the bank you re presenting a check at. I am thinking of giving them a self executing contract for use of private property, and then an affidavit of fact to support that my thumbprint is indeed private property, that the person named did indeed demand that I surrender said private property before that person would honor a legal negotiable instrument, and that I served her with said self executing contract and notice of private property.

What are your thoughts on this?

Could be quite profitable.

HB

i'd be willing to wager that you'd end up in court with the bank and would be in a good position to win the case, depending upon whether you are allowed (by law) to refuse your thumbprint as a means of identification.


we all know thumbprints, and for that matter, any identification, still means nothing as far as identifying anyone...


but the big question is:& do you really want to go through with that hassle?


jon

That's like saying redemption is a hassle. I, for one, believe it is more than worth it. Live free or die, I say.

Think of the money (albeit fake) that you could win on a case like this.

Take in a withess that sees you serve the paper to the teller, she doesn't have to sign anything, yet she just entered contract by forcing you to surrender private property to excercise a right.

Hmmm. Interesting!

of course redemption is a hassle.& fighting to feed your family every day is a hassle.& life is a hassle.


however, there is also a "pick your battles" clause...


at any rate, i would never use such a practice as a "money-making scheme."& the tellers are simply doing their jobs, and the ultimate fault lies somewhere in the upper levels of the banks for not explaining the full capacity of the teller's job to the tellers.& and believe me, you'll be wasting more of your time than is really worth it.


living within the matrix requires a certain amount of give and take.& ultimately, you'll have to decide how much of each you will live with.


jon

The point I believe needs to be made is that they are forcing YOU and I to surrender rights in a "money making scheme."

With that attitude, I am surprised that Redemption or tradmarking your name would be of interest to you. It is the SAME principle. Making money when they try to take your property.

I thought the point of all this was to not have to "give" when you didn't want to.

No disrespect meant, but you really don't know if this would be worth it or not.

I really thought this idea would be better received. I must be the only one who thinks it's weird to be fingerprinted at a bank when you are only trying to have a legimate negotiable instrument honored that is drawn on one of their accounts.

Pick my battles? My battle is freedom to exist without having someone force me to give up ANY of that freedom.

Pick my battles. Hmmmph. I am on this pathway to turn those tables and make THEM pick THEIR battles.

If I am wrong, I invite rebuke that is sound and I will hear it with an open mind. Otherwise, you have made your point and I am clear on where you stand on the issue.

Thanks

HB

Sign the check 'without recourse' and see what they do. If they refuse to cash <U>because</U> of that,&then&that is&evidence they violated your 4th amendment right to be secure in&your person. &


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This means fingerprints are collected solely as evidence of a crime before any crime is known -- or even reasonably believed -- to be taking place. This clearly qualifies as a violation of the 4th Amendment which guarantees to us the right "to be secure in [our] persons....against unreasonable searches &amp; seizures...". Certainly my fingerprint is part of my person, so by what right do banks require me to waive a right in order to cash a check?

Tora,

Today, I signed my full Christian and Surname, and the Copyright Symbol and ALL RIGHTS RESERVED UCC 1-207.

Funny thing was, the girl scoffed and repeated to me what was wrote on the check, and said "weird". But shc didn't ask me to gove my thumbprint, even after asking if I had a checking or savings there (I don't).

But I know it will come up, and I am planning to protect my property. Thanks for the link, and the advice. I will try it.

HB

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Is there a statutory or UCC cite for this?

Thanks

[Ice]

Henry,


Your idea about the contract for the thumbprint is not a bad idea.& It is your property.& The way to do this would be to make the BANK responsible for the actions of the agent... so regardless of what mindless numbnuts up the chain of command in the bank decided that it would be good policy... the teller is let off the hook and the bank is the one that pays... and makes numbnuts look really stupid for the stupid policy that he put into place... "Sure, numbnuts, come up with another policy to violate peoples rights and give 'em a chance to bang us for some bucks!"


Don't let naysayers get ya down.& They should be applauding you for your initiative and your drive.


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