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Old 09-20-2005, 06:23 AM
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NOTICE BY RESPONDENT



DATE

ADDRESS OF DEBT COLLECTOR / SOLICITOR



Dear ……………..,

RE: YOUR LETTER OF DEMAND ON BEHALF OF (CREDIT COMPANY)
ACCOUNT NUMBER:
ACCOUNT BALANCE:


I am in receipt of your letter of demand for the alleged outstanding balance as stated above.

Please be advised that on (date) CREDIT COMPANY received and signed for an “accepted for value” statement of said account.

As creditor and Authorised Representative for debtor (YOUR STRAWMAN ALL CAPS NAME AS APPEARS ON ACCOUNT) © - (trade name, legal fiction), I am requesting a VALIDATION OF DEBT package be forwarded to me within 10 days otherwise I will assume this matter to be settled.

It is also noted that (representative) of DEBT COLLECTION AGENCY / SOLICITOR appears to be a third party intruder into an alleged private contract which constitutes legal trespass.

NOTICE: (STRAWMAN ALL CAPS NAME) © and all other variations except the proper English Grammar spelling First-Middle: Last Name (flesh and blood man) is copyrighted intellectual property and carries a $250,000.00 fine for each and every unauthorised use.

At no time do I authorise you or any of your representatives to make use of this copyrighted intellectual property.

I request (with no intention of implied contract between us) for you to deliver to me the following VALIDATION OF DEBT package:





1. Proof of the existence of an account in the name of First-Middle: Last Name.
2. A copy of the actual contract between First-Middle:Last Name and CREDIT COMPANY duly signed and witnessed by both parties, (not a unilateral agreement) and upon which signed page there is reference to the entire agreement.
3. A copy of the ACTUAL ACCOUNTING whereby CREDIT COMPANY has incurred a loss of the alleged $...............
4. An INVOICE (not a statement) from CREDIT COMPANY for any amount of money allegedly owed to them by First-Middle: Last Name.

Please forward this package within 10 days of receipt of this letter to:

Secured Party
Your post office
box number and address
zip code / post code
country

As Secured Party, creditor and Authorised Representative, I must also make you aware of the private contract I have with debtor STRAWMAN © which constitutes a “HOLD HARMLESS AND INDEMNITY AGREEMENT”. This agreement hereby indemnifies First-Middle: Last Name, the Secured Party against losses incurred as a result of all claims of debts or losses made by any and all persons against the commercial transactions and investments of the Debtor.



Yours Faithfully






By First-Middle:Last Name
Authorised Representative for STRAWMAN © (year of birth) ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.
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Old 09-23-2005, 11:18 PM
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Hey there Bulletproof!

What does your accept for value letter look like?

Cheers,

Nimboto
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Old 09-24-2005, 07:06 AM
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NOTICE: (STRAWMAN ALL CAPS NAME) © and all other variations except the proper English Grammar spelling First-Middle: Last Name (flesh and blood man) is copyrighted intellectual property and carries a $250,000.00 fine for each and every unauthorised use.

At no time do I authorise you or any of your representatives to make use of this copyrighted intellectual property.

Care to show any published cases where that part of your silly waste of paper was successfully enforced?

You're only getting people deeper into trouble with this nonsense. Even someone with a legitimate legal issue with a creditor will be brought down with these kinds of juvenile attempts to sound like you know what you're talking about.
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Old 09-25-2005, 02:35 AM
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Thumbs down Nonsense Or Not.

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Care to show any published cases where that part of your silly waste of paper was successfully enforced?

You're only getting people deeper into trouble with this nonsense. Even someone with a legitimate legal issue with a creditor will be brought down with these kinds of juvenile attempts to sound like you know what you're talking about.


Who are you...Judge Roy Bean...??

Who are you to be Judging anyone? Your authority is hereby cancelled.

Do I know you?
NO.

Do you believe I, or others here care about what you have to say, based upon your childish replies that we see on this forum from time to time?

NO.

This is not legal advice, it is a post made in reply to private messages that asked for a copy of the letter I used successfully against a credit card company, debt collector and solicitor.

For your information, my STRAWMAN is a registered trademark and I have NOTICED the parties involved that I do not authorise them to use my IP.

Copyright is automatic, once something is created. I am merely exerting the original copyright over my STRAWMAN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE **** ANYONE ELSE INCLUDING YOU THINKS.

In the end it all comes back to WHO THEY THINK YOU ARE and WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE.

No one has any juristiction over me except that which I give them.

Now go back to your retirement home, sit back down in that ol' rockin chair I know you've got, and finish your hot chocolate.

Oh...and another thing...don't waste any more of my valuable time and stop spreading hate and fear, especially in regard to my posts, as they will not be answered anymore.

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Old 09-25-2005, 05:38 AM
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Hey there Bulletproof!

What does your accept for value letter look like?

Cheers,

Nimboto

It's actually a stamp that I apply to documents such as "statements" from credit card co's by scanning the original and overlaying it in photoshop before printing and returning it as a copy.

I've attached it here.
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Old 09-25-2005, 07:41 AM
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Who are you...Judge Roy Bean...??
Soemone who knows a lot more about the REAL WORLD where people who do the kinds of stupid things you promote get into serious financial and legal trouble, even when they have legitimate problems with the companies that try to take advantage of them that they could resolve with the proper legal approach.
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Who are you to be Judging anyone? Your authority is hereby cancelled.
Right, just like the debt elimination scheme cancelled your debt.
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Do I know you?
NO.

Do you believe I, or others here care about what you have to say, based upon your childish replies that we see on this forum from time to time?

NO.
My don't care light is on.

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This is not legal advice, it is a post made in reply to private messages that asked for a copy of the letter I used successfully against a credit card company, debt collector and solicitor.
Again, please provide a case cite where your allegedly successful process stood up in court.

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For your information, my STRAWMAN is a registered trademark and I have NOTICED the parties involved that I do not authorise them to use my IP.
And they could care less because it's a mythological concept that no court recognizes.

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Copyright is automatic, once something is created. I am merely exerting the original copyright over my STRAWMAN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE **** ANYONE ELSE INCLUDING YOU THINKS.

In the end it all comes back to WHO THEY THINK YOU ARE and WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE.
Only in your own mind.

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No one has any juristiction over me except that which I give them.
Sure. Just keep telling yourself that. There are people in jails and prisons who probably still think that.

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Now go back to your retirement home, sit back down in that ol' rockin chair I know you've got, and finish your hot chocolate.

Oh...and another thing...don't waste any more of my valuable time ...

I seriously doubt your time is valuable, particularly if you try to charge other people for your advice, legal or not.
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...and stop spreading hate and fear,

Those are only YOUR confused and irrational perceptions of the truth.
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... especially in regard to my posts, as they will not be answered anymore.

Bulletproof Monk
Thank you. Your not answering will help reduce the amount of misinformation here and may keep others from stumbling into the abyss.
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Old 09-25-2005, 09:15 AM
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NOTICE BY RESPONDENT


DATE

ADDRESS OF DEBT COLLECTOR / SOLICITOR


Dear ……………..,

RE: YOUR LETTER OF DEMAND ON BEHALF OF (CREDIT COMPANY)
ACCOUNT NUMBER:
ACCOUNT BALANCE:


I am in receipt of your letter of demand for the alleged outstanding balance as stated above.

Please be advised that on (date) CREDIT COMPANY received and signed for an “accepted for value” statement of said account.

As creditor and Authorised Representative for debtor (YOUR STRAWMAN ALL CAPS NAME AS APPEARS ON ACCOUNT) © - (trade name, legal fiction), I am requesting a VALIDATION OF DEBT package be forwarded to me within 10 days otherwise I will assume this matter to be settled.

It is also noted that (representative) of DEBT COLLECTION AGENCY / SOLICITOR appears to be a third party intruder into an alleged private contract which constitutes legal trespass.

NOTICE: (STRAWMAN ALL CAPS NAME) © and all other variations except the proper English Grammar spelling First-Middle: Last Name (flesh and blood man) is copyrighted intellectual property and carries a $250,000.00 fine for each and every unauthorised use.

At no time do I authorise you or any of your representatives to make use of this copyrighted intellectual property.

I request (with no intention of implied contract between us) for you to deliver to me the following VALIDATION OF DEBT package:

1. Proof of the existence of an account in the name of First-Middle: Last Name.
2. A copy of the actual contract between First-Middle:Last Name and CREDIT COMPANY duly signed and witnessed by both parties, (not a unilateral agreement) and upon which signed page there is reference to the entire agreement.
3. A copy of the ACTUAL ACCOUNTING whereby CREDIT COMPANY has incurred a loss of the alleged $...............
4. An INVOICE (not a statement) from CREDIT COMPANY for any amount of money allegedly owed to them by First-Middle: Last Name.

Please forward this package within 10 days of receipt of this letter to:

Secured Party
Your post office
box number and address
zip code / post code
country

As Secured Party, creditor and Authorised Representative, I must also make you aware of the private contract I have with debtor STRAWMAN © which constitutes a “HOLD HARMLESS AND INDEMNITY AGREEMENT”. This agreement hereby indemnifies First-Middle: Last Name, the Secured Party against losses incurred as a result of all claims of debts or losses made by any and all persons against the commercial transactions and investments of the Debtor.


Yours Faithfully

By First-Middle:Last Name
Authorised Representative for STRAWMAN © (year of birth) ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

ALL THIS STUFF SOUNDS WONDERFUL BUT HAS ANY OF THIS HELD UP IN COURT?

THE REALITY IS THAT IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO COURT, YOU'LL BE SADLY DISAPPOINTED WITH ALL THIS A4V STUFF. THE DOREAN GROUP AND OTHER ELIMINATION SCHEMES USED THIS PROCESS AND IT WAS TOTALLY IGNORED. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. I'M TELLING YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, THIS IS ALL JUST A WASTE OF TIME.

GOOD LUCK.
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Old 09-26-2005, 07:58 PM
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Lightbulb What is your position?

Hey there Roy,

All of your posts seem to attack positions taken by others and then use fear based admonitions.

Where do you stand?

I went to your blog, and it seems that your outing squaliformes, but what about remedies? That would be more useful.

Are you really a 'judge'? If so, what court?

If you've got some information that could help, then share it. Don't just attack people, and threaten them with," you'll wind up in jail."

If you're a judge then please cite some actual cases yourself.

Sincerely,

Nimboto
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