Banks, Collectors, and CRAs Discuss the elimationa of secured and unsecured "debt", as well as tactics for dealing with debt collectors and credit reporting agencies.


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Old 09-23-2005, 04:25 PM
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Just another shining example of why you should never let ANYONE handle your affairs for you, legal or otherwise.

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Old 09-23-2005, 05:09 PM
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Uh.....

I did not read where they said they were sentenced. Unless I missed something? I'll go back and re-read the post.
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Old 09-23-2005, 05:16 PM
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Nope, not sentenced. Not even convicted, just indicted.
But still, I think, a good indication that the process doesn't work.

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Old 09-23-2005, 05:21 PM
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Uh.....

I did not read where they said they were sentenced. Unless I missed something? I'll go back and re-read the post.

Nope, I did not see where they were sentenced. Interesting articles though. But more interesting than the articles is the fact that Libertarian appears to come out to post only on this issue and this is is a dead issue on this site.

You know Libertarian, if you really had something to offer--I mean really something of value to offer to the members of this community, (other than the same old story with no convictions) there are members in other forums who have geniune questions about "Liberty" and how to be a "Libertarian". Their asking for assistance with understanding this stuff and how to protect themselves.

But now, you want to clutter up the forum with this.

Although the good judge (JRB) plays devil's advocate alot--the good judge still offers something. WHether folks like it or not--JRB offers this community something.

So I ask, please answer other posts and help other members with current issues on other topics--it would be nice if you could help us out this way.

I'm just asking.
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Nope, I did not see where they were sentenced. Interesting articles though. But more interesting than the articles is the fact that Libertarian appears to come out to post only on this issue and this is is a dead issue on this site.

You know Libertarian, if you really had something to offer--I mean really something of value to offer to the members of this community, (other than the same old story with no convictions) there are members in other forums who have geniune questions about "Liberty" and how to be a "Libertarian". Their asking for assistance with understanding this stuff and how to protect themselves.

But now, you want to clutter up the forum with this.

Although the good judge (JRB) plays devil's advocate alot--the good judge still offers something. WHether folks like it or not--JRB offers this community something.

So I ask, please answer other posts and help other members with current issues on other topics--it would be nice if you could help us out this way.

I'm just asking.



Do a search for my posts. I post on many issues other than this. In fact, I don't recall posting anything on Dorean in quite some time, until I saw this news today.
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Old 09-23-2005, 06:49 PM
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[quote=Judge Roy There was plenty of warning - so I don't have an enormous amount of sympathy for a lot of them who hung on despite being shown the evidence.[/QUOTE]
This sounds like the press! How d you know these people recieved any kind of warning? So you do not have an enormous am't of sympathy - does this suggest some sympathy?

I for one, am not familiar with this group, or their processes. I have however read HJR 192, and read on a few sites, about the creation of debt and credit, as well as the process in getting a mortgage on a home. So , would you explain to me (others) why the bank creating the mortgage debt on their books and then discharging that debt, when the check is deposited, or cashed with a second signature, is not just as criminal, and unethical as the Dorian group.
I take it you may not think there is a problem with the gov. and the Fed. rsrv., so do you think that there is a debt to the FR which can *ever* be repaid?
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Old 09-23-2005, 06:56 PM
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besides, i had a branch manager at suntrust ADMIT the money comes from you to fund a mortgage. the courts are banks protecting other banks, plain and simple.
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Do a search for my posts. I post on many issues other than this. In fact, I don't recall posting anything on Dorean in quite some time, until I saw this news today.

Libertarian,

I have done a search and you are right. You do post in other forums--My apologies.

I just get a little wound up when folks appear to be supporting propoganda and then getting the anti dorean group crowd all hyped up over an issue that has long been settled here on this site.
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Maybe a search for key terms before posting would be a good idea so that old news isn't brought up so much. If this particular article had not been posted in one of the other threads on this subject it could have been added to one of those other threads.

Our resources should be used wisely.

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Old 09-24-2005, 12:00 AM
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I just get a little wound up when folks appear to be supporting propoganda and then getting the anti dorean group crowd all hyped up over an issue that has long been settled here on this site.
Since my previous post was a bit vague, let me clarify....

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Just another shining example of why you should never let ANYONE handle your affairs for you, legal or otherwise.
handle? Perhaps I should have said "take control of" ?

I'm not condeming the Dorean Group... I have no idea whether they're guilty or innocent... but I see this situation, as no different than another situation represented by another Jerseee quote:

If you can't defend your documents--then they are worthless.

The point to my post was, whether we're talking law, or medicine, or even car repair... minimally, we should be seeking a co-captain, or possibly, a master mind group, in all matters, where our intrinsic comprehension, may be out of reach, due to lack of time, or complexity of subject matter, or whatever... because, inevitably, the final decision, and responsibility, is our own.

I know their process was based in truth... Truth as the banks know it, not necessarily as the general public knows it. I just wonder if those guys totally disclosed everything about their process, and the risks involved, to their potential clients, so that they could make well informed decisions... considering their clients were already strongly compelled by circumstance. I must admit, when I saw them receiving 50% of the re-fi FRN's, a major red flag went up for me.

The bottom line is.. knowledge is power, and you will only get an honest and neutral opinion, from someone who isn't going to benefit from the decision.

HB,

I'd love to see a copy of their docs, should you end up purchasing those cds.

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