SAMPLE "ACCEPTED FOR VALUE" STAMP

[Shoonra]

Obviously somebody is missing the concept, but I still wonder what is the result of stamping "Accepted for Value" on court papers.

[ezrhythm]

I haven't seen if anyone has ever said to use that term on court papers. Even the thread doesn't mention using it for that.

[Shoonra]

Alright. What is the result of stamping it on other official or non-financial documents??

[palani]

Offer and acceptance are elements of contract law. The one who accepts an offer is the holder in due course, otherwise known as the only one who has any rights in an agreement as this is the one who gets to hold the original of the contract.

Heres one you can try. Buy your next car from a dealer who has advertised in the paper. Tell the salesman you would like to accept their offer at the price they are advertising. Five will get you ten they write it up so that you will have submitted the offer and they are in the position of accepting.

As to court documents, if there is no controversy there is nothing left for the court to adjudicate. Agree to everything, just make sure you are the acceptor rather than the offerer.

But I am not a legal type so above can not be considered legal advice.

[aksis]

From the impression someone left me with when he share his perspective on this in a seminar,

"Accepted for Value" is, you, acting as agent for the PERSON, accept the presentment/bill/fine/fee to the PERSON from the US, State[s], Municipal Corporation[s], Federal Reserve and branches, agents thereof et al., etc..

And, because of HJR-192 (you know, when all the gold was seized & in return the people were given 'unlimited credit') the debt is able to be discharged [not paid] via the social social security account #000-00-0000 opened for the PERSON, an Implied [constructive] Trust established via the New Deal.

It is aginst public policy to "pay" anything because it requires lawful money (gold & silver) to do so.

He who has the gold "pays" the bills. So in life in the post New Deal STATES[S], debt is discharged... unless you have Dollars, then you could "pay" it, but are not required to "pay" anything as this is aginst "public policy". You must discharge your debts to settle your accounts though. There are other ways to do this then tendering Federal Reserve Notes from what I understand and others are very aware of.

If there is an accountant amount the People reading this thread prehaps we could get a better lesson on T Accounts and double entery book keeping...

Imagin for a moment that someone, the (US) owes a PERSON 1,000,000.00, [keep in mind the "credit" is actualy unlimited] and they can't pay you yet, so they have a -1,000,000.00 debt with you, and, you have a 1,000,000.00 credit with them...

PERSON "T" ACCOUNT #000-00-0000

PERSON'S Books - US Books

+| -..................+| -

1,000,000.00|.......... ............|1,000,000.00

Now, a day comes that you end up owing them 5000.00 for something... you could discharge the debt by charging up their account, and, then they would only have a debt of -995,000.00 with you & you would only have a credit of 995,000.00 with them.

PERSON "T" ACCOUNT #000-00-000

PERSON'S Books - US Books

+| -.......................+| -

1,000,000.00|............................|1,000,000.00

|5000.00>5000.00|
995,000.00|............................|995,000.00

By, acting as agent for the PERSON, and, Accepting for Value the charge [a fine for example], to the PERSON'S Account, the debt is discharged & the account[s] are further settled.

I believe that is the jist of Accepted for Value.

Shoonra, I don't see how you could "Accept for Value" anything but 'charges' either...

Prehaps some people are looking to Refuse for Cause "non-financial documents such as [shoonra, do you mean 'administrative hearing's'?] court papers, subpoenae, official forms and the like"?

Further, I am not sure if debts with non-government establishments can be discharged like this... like if you owe your neighbor 'money', or the guy who worked on your roof, etc... even if I could, I don't think it would be right and I would not choose to do that.

Prehaps someone else could elaborate and/or correct any misinformation?

Its kind of a complex subject that I am still really just learning about it.

[Jerseee]

Aksis,

Very nice response. But there is one flaw in that whole process that gives folks like Shoonra, JRB and the like a little ammo to go after this versus going after proven victories in the success forum, and that is...

Can you prove it?

Can anyone prove that these "accounts" exist?
Can anyone prove that these "amounts" are valid?

There are a lot of affirmative statements made with regard to A4V that I have seen not to be proven. Further, based on these unfounded affirmatives, a whole accounting structure is devised to explain it, to lend the initial premise of secret "accounts" and "credits" with a posture of credibility.

Just as the repulsive practice of arbitration, I have yet to see anyone succeed with redemption methods such as A4V.

Just my experience and thoughts on this matter.

[georgealexander]

Recalling a seminar speaker - I'm NOT reading from notes NOR replaying video - with much experience using the A4V process with the Notoral Protest: 'I have never used the A4V process for any other purpose than to put the Presenter in Dishonor and having that Presenter liquidated under the bankruptcy by the Secretary of the Treasury.'

vis a vie "accounts" [General Accepted Accounting Practises - GAAP], the same seminar speaker stated, "I can not 'see' the wind, but when I see tree branches moving back and forth, I know the wind is blowing."

Additional comments discouraged participants from attempting to buy groceries and such with 'one's EXEMPTION'.

The use of a BOE, not the A4V process, 'required the level of knowledge of a corporate level Vice President of a major bank on a need to know basis to access one's EXEMPTION.' It would be easier to access several million FRNS than $5.99 for a six pack. [I am paraphasing the seminar speaker]



George Alexander

[Judge Roy Bean]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Alright. What is the result of stamping it on other official or non-financial documents??

Nothing other than taking up space. It is legally meaningless.

[artificialsteve]

I have been studying this a4v process and I am under the impression that it is used for setoff and adjustments to the PRIVATE side of accounts(look that word up!)
I cant PROVE it works but there are a lot of things you must try YOURSELF....because there are too many JUDGE ROY BEANS out there who are trying to paint a picture for you...that exemptions, remedies, recourses, uniform commercial codes and all the rest of that fun stuff....are completely useless......suuuuuure....thats why we are all failing right ROY??...give me a break...
.....The information is here...but it takes a LOT of hardwork and studying in order to grasp the potential of being sovereign....just trust your instincts and have PURE intentions and the information will pop right out in front of you(at least thats how it has been for me)....sure...if I could 'get rich' from forcing terrorcrats into involuntary bankruptcy you know Iwould be there...but I'll be the first to admit that it takes alot of balls to go through with it...and I have not done it....but right now I know that the vast majority of these codes, statutes, violations blah blah blah are completely useless and I will not give away FRNs to the municipalities and there compelled performance admiralty f*ckjob....thank you....p.s......there is no single method that "WORKS EVERY TIME"....ask yourself what you are trying to 'get' and you will find the answer, just my 2 cents.....

[Jerseee]

artificialsteve,

Taking unnecessary risks with a commercial game created and constructed for those that run it and change the rules every day, is a terrible way to learn sovereignty. In fact, I discourage many from using the devil's tools to build an unethical home.

Use the law, not codes or statutes. these too are commercial things that you have already recognized.

Sovereignty does not depend on anything except your belief in yourself that you know the truth about who you are and who they are. This is sovereignty. It starts in the mind first. It does not come from purchasing a book, going to a seminar, paying a government agency to recognize it, filing papers to proclaim it and get it recognized...none of these gadgets.

A4V is one of those gadgets. It is things like this that give JRB and Shoonra the energy they need to do what they do on this site. They know as well as I do that none of this stuff can be proven--because it will take for someone on the Federal Reserve Board of Trustees to admit to it publicly.

I appeal to everyone---please stop using this stuff and use the Law. Just because the leaves are moving in the trees does not mean that the wind is blowing--someone could be shaking or chopping the tree from the bottom. This makes leaves move too!

Just my thoughts.

Originally Posted by artificialsteve

I have been studying this a4v process and I am under the impression that it is used for setoff and adjustments to the PRIVATE side of accounts(look that word up!)
I cant PROVE it works but there are a lot of things you must try YOURSELF....because there are too many JUDGE ROY BEANS out there who are trying to paint a picture for you...that exemptions, remedies, recourses, uniform commercial codes and all the rest of that fun stuff....are completely useless......suuuuuure....thats why we are all failing right ROY??...give me a break...
.....The information is here...but it takes a LOT of hardwork and studying in order to grasp the potential of being sovereign....just trust your instincts and have PURE intentions and the information will pop right out in front of you(at least thats how it has been for me)....sure...if I could 'get rich' from forcing terrorcrats into involuntary bankruptcy you know Iwould be there...but I'll be the first to admit that it takes alot of balls to go through with it...and I have not done it....but right now I know that the vast majority of these codes, statutes, violations blah blah blah are completely useless and I will not give away FRNs to the municipalities and there compelled performance admiralty f*ckjob....thank you....p.s......there is no single method that "WORKS EVERY TIME"....ask yourself what you are trying to 'get' and you will find the answer, just my 2 cents.....