SAMPLE "ACCEPTED FOR VALUE" STAMP

[aksis]

Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean

Nothing other than taking up space. It is legally meaningless.

I must agree with Judge Roy Bean & Shoonra in this particular point.

I believe his answer to Shoonra is true.

Who doesn't?

Just because some people tend to be nay sayers & decenting dosn't make them wrong in all their points, and, I am a big advocate of calling a spade "a spade". Can you dig it?

Further, its this type of non-sense, using Accepted for Value on non-financial documents/papers, that gets people into trouble and makes the people who are using it correctly get excess scrutiny.

Jerseee, I was just laying out the principle of Accepted for Value in a very simple way. There seemed to be some confusion on what Accepted for Value would be applicable to and JRB and Shoonra didn't bother to explain why they were nay saying for people less firmilar with the subject matter.

Further, I am far from an expert on this topic, and, I am not sure that I even want to be the "Agent" for the PERSON/Implied [constructive] Trust.... can any say "federal employee"?

Originally Posted by jerseee

Taking unnecessary risks with a commercial game created and constructed for those that run it and change the rules every day, is a terrible way to learn sovereignty.

Use the law, not codes or statutes. these too are commercial things that you have already recognized.

Thats right on from my point of view. Not that people can't "play the game", but it would be prudent to understand addition and subtraction (Law) before you will ever really comprehend triganomitry (codes, rules, regulations).

[aksis]

I would like to share some other thoughts I have on this,

The credit is not exactly unlimited.

This next part is expressed from two points of view which are: a Federal Employee's & one of the People's

If you are a Federal Employee, it is true to say you/your corporation owes the "national debt".

As one of We the People, it would be true to say the "national debt" is owed to us, or, that we, as a group, have a "credit" with the federal government that is equal to the current "national debt".

Their Debt is our Credit in double entry book keeping:

WtP "T" ACCOUNT

........The PEOPLE.... .... US - National Debt

+| -..................+| -

1,000,000.00|.......... ............|1,000,000.00

This (not the number in the example, but, the National Debt) is the limit on the "unlimited credit" created by HJR-192.

Its not exactly individual accounts, but there are many individual access numbers to the Account.

Now, the reason these things like Accepted for Value are so guarded is because all people have access to this "unlimited credit" & most people are pretty greedy.

This is a type of "communits system" existing within the Republic's, yet the whole system isn't communist. That would be unconstitunal.

This was setup to help people, in very desperate situations (picture the Depression), meet there basic needs, not for 6 packs of beer.

It is where the Government Grant money comes from amoung other types of offers.

Contrary to what most people believe, when the government gives a Grant to someone, the Natinal Debt gets smaller.

Same thing happens when someone Accepts for Value a traffic ticket.

It is in the best interest of the People to have a credit with the Government, and so the National Debt is a good thing because what ever Government owes us, it is credit to We the People.

WtP "T" ACCOUNT

........The PEOPLE.... .... US - National Debt

+| -..................+| -

1,000,000.00|.......... ............|1,000,000.00

Now, getting a loan from a bank is very different then having a bank extend you credit. You get what you ask for.

A loan is a private side thing. If your friend loaned you money, you would have to pay them back.

If you get extended your(our) credit, this comes from the People's Credit.

I am not sure if all banks can "extend you your credit", or, if it would have to be a branch of the federal reserve. One way I can see to access it is through the SSA.

Also, I am not sure how much or for what they can and will extend you this credit for. Seems that We the People don't want it extended for 6 packs of beer, but if your small house is being taken because you lost your job and you and your family are going to be homeless and hungry, then you can make a claim on the credit... your needs they are supplied. NOT YOUR WANTS.

The distortion on the legal system is a whole differnt matter & it came after the fact. This seems to be due to a confusion on the part of the People beleiving that they are the PERSON/Implied [constructive] Trust rahter then acting for a moment as an agent or some such thing...

[mnchicago]

I have been reading a little about this "redemption" stuff,
of late, and was going to post to find out if anyone were
actually using it.

Seems like not. Yet, I sense there must be something to
it, and, just like understanding the IRC, these things are
purposefully convoluted to keep "people" out in the cold.
The deception must be maintained at all costs.

Well, I used to believe that about the IRS, and "redemtion"
may not be any different.

From what little I have read, and this stuff can be mind-bending,
accepted for value is a way to get one's
obligations "discharged" against their supposed "exemptions."

What I am learning has general application as well, and I
will share some notes because it may spur someone else
to understand what this is all about.

From the outset, I will agree that most people get into
trouble with these things, but it is more because they
have not done their homework than the process lacking
validity. Just like people not knowing about defective
DOJ "indictments," doen't mnake them wrong in what they
are doing.

When someone signs anything, using "by" in front of one's
signature, followed by the word "agent," means it is a
living soul, and not the strawman, to whom the implied
contrract applies.

Gov't licenses are a privilege," not a right as is due a
living soul.

We are denied our right to challenge any cerditor/banker,
in court, because if we could "face our accuser," we could
ask about the indebtedness and validity of the "cointract,"
and they would not be able to answer.
We could require them to provide us with the contract
proving that we knowingly, voluntarily, and willingly agreed
to pay corporate public debt.

There is no money! Only debt.

Read any statute. It compels one to a specific
performance. Statutes imply, but never state that if the
act is not performed, a fine is imposed. There is no mention
of fines in any statute, code, rule or regulation. Where
is the implementing regulation?

"Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing by
the truth, so help you God?"

No! Never answer yes.

Not to be contentious, but courts of equity/admiralty/statute
are courts of fiction and cannot have any truth within them.
The truth cannot be told in a fictitious environment.

Being asked to "swear" is being asked to contract!"

There is no jurisdiction until there is a contract!
all law is now commerce. all commerce is contract.
No contract, no case.

Once one files a UCC-1 financial statement, one can then
"honor" any claim sent by "accepting" it. By accepting it,
you are now in a position to "discharge" it. For example,
when you receive a statement, send it back and demand
an invoice, signed under the corporation's full,
commercial liability, and you will be happy to settle the
account.

Now, I've gotten a bit farther than these baby steps,
but I do not have clarity in understanding how to put the
info into practical application.

One person tauted as being expert is someone named
Rober Elvick, I believe. One problem is that he has already
been to jail for his efforts, and his explantions can be
"other worldly," at times.

His premise is to mark "accepted for value" on a credit
card statement, attach the receipts to make the credit
card company the witness, and retunr it all for the credit
card company to "zero" out the balance.

FWIW.

Just observations, at this point.

[mnchicago]

Has anyone actually taken a debt collector to court for
violations , such as still sending notices to collect, after
having already been Noticed to validate the debt?


I have on peksy debt collector ignoring the VOD, I am doing
for a friend, and I would like to have them pay up the
$1,000 per violation. I do not know what court to use.

TIA.

[mrg]

Originally Posted by mnchicago

Has anyone actually taken a debt collector to court for
violations , such as still sending notices to collect, after
having already been Noticed to validate the debt?


I have on peksy debt collector ignoring the VOD, I am doing
for a friend, and I would like to have them pay up the
$1,000 per violation. I do not know what court to use.

TIA.

Check Jaylon's posts, and he has some downloads on the subject in the download section.

[Jerseee]

Aksis,

I understand where you're coming from--I was merely elaborating on the issue from my experience. Wasn't tryin to slam anyone.

have fun

[aksis]

Jersee, I didn't take it like a slam from you, your kindness & level headedness shows. I do tend to get somewhat defensive though.

Fun?

Some times....

[mnchicago]

Thank you, mrg.

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As best as I can determine, the redemption proces is a means
of gaining control of your fictional STRAWMAN, WILLIAM SMITH,
all caps, for example. The previous thinking used to be:
"Hey, that ain't me!"


But...we need to have control of the STRAWMAN in order
to "redeem" via the UCC-1 Financial Statement registration
to maintain superior right of claim over our fictional "person."
The UCC-1 registration makes the "public" STRAWMAN
now private and under our control.

It is the STRAWMAN fiction that facilitates dealing with
commerce, everything being commerce today. By taking
control, the "public" "United States" has now lost its
grasp over us. We are no longer under the jurisdictional
mercy of the "United States," or any other State, County,
or municipal corporation.

The Republic, for which we stand, under which we are
sovereign Citizens, still exists, but it is "private." We can
only access it via the remedy: UCC 1-308, All rights
reserved.

Anything that is government owes its allegiance to the
"United States." Anyone who thinks any public servant
or official, or judge is going to be of any help for us to
retain independence and freedom, simply doesn't get it.

We need our STRAWMAN to "redeem" and maintain any
chance of freedom and control against "the odds."

As I learn more, I will pass it along and hope anyone with
more knowledge or clarity will do the same.

[artificialsteve]

I agree with the last post....it seems like redemption is very straightforward when you word it like that....I would like to believe it is that straightforward......but Im stuck in a blizzard of lies.......for instance:
1. a private person cannot have a ucc -1 against a fiction(strawman)
2. what are you REALLY supposed to list in the UCC-1
(birth certificates, ss#, bank accounts, etc...)
3. registering the tradename with the SOS vs. common law copyright....

I have sent off the tradename application...in Washington State......and I'm very interested to see what they say

[Jerseee]

This is totally abckwadrs thinking.

How can you gain control over something that is not yours?

You did not create a STRAWMAN, therefore it is not yours to gain control over.

Doing such a thing is theft. Moreover, you are playing a game that you never have current rules on. They are constantly changing their rules (UCC). The more folks play this game--the more they end up in a bind. Because, when you play this commercial game with "hot potatoe" ever changing rules, they lead you right into admitting things you normally would not admit to.

A good example is "Accepted For Value". You've accepted something (whether it is total acceptance, partial acceptence, or conditional acceptance) that has other consequences to it and leads to something else.

Next thing you know, you're arguing about this and that which makes things harder to make them prove their claim, because your embroiled in a commercial fight in which the rules favor them.

Stick with the Law and not the code. Laws are made to be broken by those that need to be punished. Do your sovereign duty and punish the Law breakers instead of playing with them through code and commerce.

have fun