Thumbprints at Banks

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=400 border=0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px" vAlign=top>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 6px">Without Recourse</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px">A phrase used on an instrument or endorsement to indicate that the drawer or endorser is not liable to subsequent holders or the institution [bank]&has financed the instrument, if the instrument is not honored when due.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px">&</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px">..."fingerprints are collected solely as evidence of a crime before any crime is known -- or even reasonably believed -- to be taking place."</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px">&</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px">What crime do you think they are talking about?& And why would they&need&take 'everyone's' fingerprint for this&crime?& </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px">&</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px">&</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px">&</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10px">&</DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Originally Posted by Ice

Henry,


Your idea about the contract for the thumbprint is not a bad idea. It is your property. The way to do this would be to make the BANK responsible for the actions of the agent... so regardless of what mindless numbnuts up the chain of command in the bank decided that it would be good policy... the teller is let off the hook and the bank is the one that pays... and makes numbnuts look really stupid for the stupid policy that he put into place... "Sure, numbnuts, come up with another policy to violate peoples rights and give 'em a chance to bang us for some bucks!"


Don't let naysayers get ya down. They should be applauding you for your initiative and your drive.


<FONT size=3>FREEDOM ISN'T FREE.[/color]

Thanks Ice. I can see sending Registered mail to the banks I would need to have checks cashed at, and thus serving the notice of private property usage fees, and the self executing contract, and then take 2 witnesses with me the next time I go to the bank. I can see this paying off.

Thanks Tora, I guess I coulda looked that up too, huh?

My next step is publication of the TM notice.

I may have to do a Copyright notice of my fingerprints also.

I just remembered something...


Buy some 'New Skin' at the&drug&store and put it on your thumb.& That&will cover up your thumbprint.& You'll have to test it&out first to see what the thumbprint looks like after you've let the 'new skin' dry.The lines on your& thumb won't show up on the check, and if a clerk notices that, they may ask to see your thumb!& However, if the bank clerk doesn't notice, then&congratulations, you've won the thumbprint battle.&

Originally Posted by Tora

I just remembered something...


Buy some 'New Skin' at the drug store and put it on your thumb. That will cover up your thumbprint. You'll have to test it out first to see what the thumbprint looks like after you've let the 'new skin' dry. The lines on your thumb won't show up on the check, and if a clerk notices that, they may ask to see your thumb! However, if the bank clerk doesn't notice, then congratulations, you've won the thumbprint battle.

I shouldn't have to deceive to be free. No slight on your suggestion, I think it is pretty crafty, and if that was my only option, I'd try it. Heaven know's they are deceptive, and I have no problem with the "fight fire with fire" adage.

It's just that I should be able to gain from the coerced use of my private property.

No, you shouldn't have to deceive to be free, although I do not believe&it is deceptive.& I believe it is one way of protecting your rights.& When I'm at a bank I could care less&what they think.&I just want to cash my check and get out of there.& I, too, despise giving my thumbprint, but arguing is not an option for me either.&


So, no... I don't feel slighted in the least.It's your game.

HB,


Quick point - there is "no money" in this battle.& And I do not mean the true fact of using FRN's, but rather what "value" you could derive from this battle.& The truth is if you push this one forward for this purpose, you will relinquish much more value than you will receive, at least what is measurable by any supposed "weights and measures" standard.& Jon is right on in his posts.& If you choose this battle, over time this truth will be revealed to you, hopefully before you expend too much "money" and efforts.& Don't get me wrong - I like your style b/c it enrages me as well what banks try to get away with, but I think your energy could be better expended on continued studies before this attempt to "take on the banks."& I have a rule of life that I follow, and that is that I never jump into a lake without knowing how deep the water is.& It would be wise&for you to find out how deep this&water is before you jump into it as well. The fact that you did not ask whether there was a statutory or UCC site until well into this post is evidence of your lack of&understanding of this water - b/c it is really a fricken ocean!& Going forward with this idea for the purpose of protecting your personal property is admirable, but going forward with this idea for the purpose of "making money" is suicidal.


Good luck.


-squirrels

Originally Posted by squirrels

HB,


Quick point - there is "no money" in this battle. And I do not mean the true fact of using FRN's, but rather what "value" you could derive from this battle. The truth is if you push this one forward for this purpose, you will relinquish much more value than you will receive, at least what is measurable by any supposed "weights and measures" standard. Jon is right on in his posts. If you choose this battle, over time this truth will be revealed to you, hopefully before you expend too much "money" and efforts. Don't get me wrong - I like your style b/c it enrages me as well what banks try to get away with, but I think your energy could be better expended on continued studies before this attempt to "take on the banks." I have a rule of life that I follow, and that is that I never jump into a lake without knowing how deep the water is. It would be wise for you to find out how deep this water is before you jump into it as well. The fact that you did not ask whether there was a statutory or UCC site until well into this post is evidence of your lack of understanding of this water - b/c it is really a fricken ocean! Going forward with this idea for the purpose of protecting your personal property is admirable, but going forward with this idea for the purpose of "making money" is suicidal.


Good luck.


-squirrels

Hey Squirrels. I realize that I am VERY wet behind the ears, and I am just researching. The theory makes sense to me, but you are correct on it being for later.

I am re-reading CTC3, and catching so much stuff I didn't get the first time that I knew immediately that I would have to read it many times to get what I needed from it. (kinda like the bible).

I am just wanting to run full bore ahead, but I am realizing that the tortoise is the role I want in this race.

I have always been a rabbit, and I am undergoing quite a bit of change here.

Thanks everyone for your patience with me, even Jon, and I admire you all, and want to be free (totally)

Sincerely,

HB

[rushpat]

Your fingerprints are already all over the check as it is. I was reading a site about a conversation someone had with the FBI agent that came up with the inkless print for banks. Apparently, even though your fingerprints are already all over the check anyway, it has to be voluntary.

I wish I could find the link...

In reading in CTC3, on Page 37, fourth paragraph, fifth line:

"(2) your common-law right to be compensated for the use of your private property,"

I still believe that this line of thinking and taking action on it can pay off BIG.

I may save it for later, but I will find out some way.

thank you HB.


btw, i too would love to take from the banks at least a fraction of what they've gleaned from me.


however, i know the utter futility of pursuing that goal.


i also know it is not spiritually right.


while i'm no biblical expert by any stretch, i don't recall christ attacking the devil outright, other than to dispel him.


"money is the root of all evil."& that is more true today than yesterday.& those are good words to ponder.


one last thing i'll leave you with - i believe, that, in theory, CTC3 is a good starting point for all of this process.& you can never have enough information.& however, it is only that.& DO NOT expect to have, within that book, EVERYTHING you'd need to know to exercise all of this properly.


i know from personal experience.& i've been hither &amp; thither in the last few years reading, researching, and learning regarding mostly the banks &amp; how all this integrates, and what i continue to find is that there is even more to learn as i go.


i can tell you that CTC3, while a good starting point, is NOT a one-stop-shop.


i applaud your efforts to stop the banks in their tracks.& however, your dispute (ahem, there's that word!), would be with the policy makers over rights violations.& their pockets, unfortunately, are deeper than yours, and the courts are in their beds.& it is an uphill battle.


nonetheless valiant.


imho, there are better pursuits.


jon