Banking without SSN

[ThinkingWolf]

Good day all:

Any comment on whether I should use postal money orders vs. checks written against a bank account opened without an SSN, or some other method of "paying the bills" without using an SSN?

I once viewed a document nicely outlining some friendly cites to present to the banking official whom denies a new account without SSN... can't seem to locate it now, anyone help?

Thanks

[David Merrill]

Years ago I tried to open a bank account without SSN. They refused. I used a billing process waiver of tort and billed them some $1000 for basically breaking the law. They ignored the bill and I never followed up on it.

I suppose somebody tenacious and familiar with billing could develop a lien against the bank that might eventually get the account established.

Here is something I heard about a decade ago. The software program the tellers at some banks use works something like this. When entering nationality the programs defaults to "US" citizen and can only be accessed after entry of a SSN. I was told to have the clerk enter a bogus SSN like all "9999"s and when she gets to the nationality field to scroll up, where she will find "USA". Then she finishes the process but deletes the bogus SSN.

However that may be no more than patriot mythology because there is a bond against FRNs and that is what you are expected to be handling. Funny money.

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/history/pay_debts.htm

So I doubt the rumor about the process is true. The attorneys at the bank know that there is no judge around to uphold the law; basically that you are not required to have a SSN. Only that you are required to have a SSN to transact Federal Reserve Notes.

For instance you are not required to have a SSN to get a driver license in Colorado.

(3) (a) Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection (3), on and after October 1, 2000, an application for a driver's or minor driver's license shall include the applicant's social security number, which shall remain confidential and shall not be placed on the applicant's driver's or minor driver's license unless such applicant has waived such confidentiality; except that such confidentiality shall not extend to the state child support enforcement agency, the department, or a court of competent jurisdiction when requesting information in the course of activities authorized under article 13 of title 26, C.R.S.,or article 14 of title 14, C.R.S. If the applicant does not have a social security number, the applicant shall submit a sworn statement, together with the application, stating that the applicant does not have a social security number. The license issued as a result of said application may, at the applicant's option, contain an identification number, which shall be the applicant's social security number.

Only because short of a driveup window you are not combining FRNs with driving.


Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S. Supposedly from Col. House (advisor) to President Wilson:

Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund the government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call "Social Insurance." Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.

So note that nobody will be required to participate. Only if they want to earn a living.

Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to earn a living.

[Purge]

DM, if you or someone could get that quote verified it would be da boom.

[David Merrill]

It is allegedly confidential. But some historical commentary and my recollection of Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley are adding plausibility. In addition, it would seem to have come about pretty accurately.

At first I felt it a little unbelievable however under the impression it was from Wilson to House. But then I heard it was from House to Wilson. Also as it arrived to me in email it had page numbers inserted.

I might get on the Library of Congress, National Archives and Federal Register. But I think I will at least need a date that it was allegedly written.


Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S. I appreciate being called on using allegedly to avoid authentication. I may hand this to a reference librarian at the local federal repository too. Otherwise I have information for you all:

(800) 688-9889 Federal Information; for phone numbers hit "0" once in the menu. I noted an interesting option at "5" - document authentication. [Maybe a state apostille on your identity, once authenticated by the federal government would work as a passport?]

(866) 512-1800 Federal Register.

(866) 272-6272 National Archives.

Library of Congress.

(202) 707-3000 general information
(202) 707-9100 forms and publications
(202) 501-5400 refence librarian

[idknow]

Originally Posted by David Merrill

It is allegedly confidential. But some historical commentary and my recollection of Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley are adding plausibility. In addition, it would seem to have come about pretty accurately.

At first I felt it a little unbelievable however under the impression it was from Wilson to House. But then I heard it was from House to Wilson. Also as it arrived to me in email it had page numbers inserted.

I might get on the Library of Congress, National Archives and Federal Register. But I think I will at least need a date that it was allegedly written.


Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S. I appreciate being called on using allegedly to avoid authentication. I may hand this to a reference librarian at the local federal repository too. Otherwise I have information for you all:

(800) 688-9889 Federal Information; for phone numbers hit "0" once in the menu. I noted an interesting option at "5" - document authentication. [Maybe a state apostille on your identity, once authenticated by the federal government would work as a passport?]

(866) 512-1800 Federal Register.

(866) 272-6272 National Archives.

Library of Congress.

(202) 707-3000 general information
(202) 707-9100 forms and publications
(202) 501-5400 refence librarian

why didnt Pres Wilson hve that man arrested for treason?

[James]

31 CFR 103.28 requires identification as follows:
“Before concluding any transaction with respect to which a report is required under Sec. 103.22, a financial institution shall verify and record the name and address of the individual presenting a transaction, as well as record the identity, account number, and the social security or taxpayer identification number, if any, of any person or entity on whose behalf such transaction is to be effected.”

Financial institutions may be required to ask you for proper identification and a social security-number. The financial institution is required to make a record of the identity-records that you provide to them. However, there is no law requiring an account-holder or customer to provide a social security-number. Additionally, there is no law prohibiting a financial institution from opening an account or completing a transaction because a customer lacks a social security-number.

31 CFR 103.33 requires financial institutions to include a “notation in the record” that a customer lacks a social security-number or certain other identification.

31 CFR 103.34 provides:
“In the event that a bank has been unable to secure . . . the required identification, it shall nevertheless not be deemed to be in violation of this section if (i) it has made a reasonable effort to secure such identification, and (ii) it maintains a list containing the names, addresses, and account numbers of those persons from whom it has been unable to secure such identification, and makes the names, addresses, and account numbers of those persons available to the Secretary as directed by him.”

18 USC Sec. 242 and 42 USC Sec. 1983 provides that:
“Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;” 42 USC Sec. 1983 further provides that a violator “shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress.”

42 USC Sec. 408 provides that:
“Whoever ... (8) discloses, uses, or compels the disclosure of the social security number of any person in violation of the laws of the United States; shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.”

[masterduke]

Idknow, Wilson was "Col" Houses sock puppet (he was a Col in only an "honorary" sense, he was never in the military) He was an active rothchild agent and was a believer in british world supremacy. He helped to manuover the U.S. involvement in ww1 and until his death in 1938 he was a daily advisor to FDR as they were setting the stage for ww2. He was instrumental in lobbying congress in the creation of the Fed Reserve Bank. He like, Kissinger with Nixon, kept Wilson sequestered (the mushroom syndrome?) as a means of maintaining control of the direction of the U.S. He wrote a book in 1912 titled Philip Dru; Adminstrator written under a pen name. It outlined the "vision" he and his handlers had in store, everything from the fed, the IMF, ww1,ww2, conversion to fuedal so******m as a world wide form of gov.,
Reconnection of britian to control of the "colonies" (look at all of the bank, credit trash, It is ALL connected to the City of London finanical District(LIBOR). Or the "royal" family. Look at discover bank trust investment prospectus for this claim)
As we are all being frog marched to the edge of the cliff, House was one of the major reasons that we are at this juncture. I believe he was one of the most influential CREEPS of the 20th century. The only problem, it was all with Evil Intent!!! That is pure Fact. Yes he was a tratior and was guilty of treason, as was Wilson and on and on

[David Merrill]

Thank you for those pertinent quotations James;

31 CFR 103.28 requires identification as follows:...

Financial institutions may be required to ask you for proper identification and a social security-number.

42 USC Sec. 408 provides that:

“Whoever ... (8) discloses, uses, or compels the disclosure of the social security number of any person in violation of the laws of the United States; shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.”

My reading of the above (emphasis added) says that financial institutions can require SSN on bank accounts. However, I have no SSN; but then I have no bank account either.

One experience was when I went to the SSA to learn how to get rid of my SSN, I went to the bank and informed them I no longer had a SSN. I had a large letter of credit out and they closed down the account - forgiving the outstanding debt. So it works both ways. That is the bond HJR - 192 in action.

I had the account since I was a child so my dad's name was on the account. A few months later he got a call and they wanted him to tell them my SSN. He would not and could not. That is all. My parents I believe still bank there.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[BOBT12]

Originally Posted by idknow

why didnt Pres Wilson hve[sic] that man arrested for treason?

Because it is alleged that Colonel Edward Mandell House was Wilson's master, as in master and apprentice. House was the author of the book Philip Dru, Administrator (1912) (fiction), which revealed how Dru was the power behind the fictional president Selwyn.

In House's book it was stated that:

Cynical Europe said that the North would have it appear that a war had been fought for human freedom, whereas it was fought for money.

Shades of Iraq?

President Wilson wrote:

There is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interloced, so complete, so pervasive that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.

-William P. Hoar, "Andrew Carnegie" American Opinion, (1975)

Who do you think that Bush and crew are working for, the People, themselves, or others?

[idknow]

Originally Posted by masterduke

Idknow, Wilson was "Col" Houses sock puppet (he was a Col in only an "honorary" sense, he was never in the military) He was an active rothchild agent and was a believer in british world supremacy. He helped to manuover the U.S. involvement in ww1 and until his death in 1938 he was a daily advisor to FDR as they were setting the stage for ww2. He was instrumental in lobbying congress in the creation of the Fed Reserve Bank. He like, Kissinger with Nixon, kept Wilson sequestered (the mushroom syndrome?) as a means of maintaining control of the direction of the U.S. He wrote a book in 1912 titled Philip Dru; Adminstrator written under a pen name. It outlined the "vision" he and his handlers had in store, everything from the fed, the IMF, ww1,ww2, conversion to fuedal so******m as a world wide form of gov.,
Reconnection of britian to control of the "colonies" (look at all of the bank, credit trash, It is ALL connected to the City of London finanical District(LIBOR). Or the "royal" family. Look at discover bank trust investment prospectus for this claim)
As we are all being frog marched to the edge of the cliff, House was one of the major reasons that we are at this juncture. I believe he was one of the most influential CREEPS of the 20th century. The only problem, it was all with Evil Intent!!! That is pure Fact. Yes he was a tratior and was guilty of treason, as was Wilson and on and on

well, that's speeshul