Banks, Collectors, and CRAs Discuss the elimationa of secured and unsecured "debt", as well as tactics for dealing with debt collectors and credit reporting agencies.


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Old 06-11-2004, 09:52 AM
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rushpat,



I have the complete package of letters from lawwork group. Someone sent them to me in four zip files about six months ago, because I sent him some information he needed. I think this is the one they are talking about:



EMERGENCY FIRST AMENDMENT

DEFAULT COMPLAINT FOR FINAL DEFAULT, 10 DAY NOTICE TO CURE



I too am shocked at the mortgage company. I'd sure be threatening to sue!!!



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Old 06-11-2004, 12:24 PM
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Can you make those files available here in the downloads section? There is some really good common law stuff in them.



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Old 06-11-2004, 12:28 PM
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If anyone ever does this process (getting a UCC-11 lien search) and the SoS (or other state entity) returns that there is no real lien on file, get a signed form letter from this stating it and make some certified copies.



Then, use this to get the county recorder to remove it and get a signed statement from the county recorder. Then use these two as evidence when writing to the CRA's to have it removed from your credit report. Also get them to do***ent that they removed it, signed, etc.



Finally, have all of this as part of your evidence that the tax agency tried to use fraud and coercion to extort money from you and bring you commercial harm.



Time to take the fight back to them and punish them for their activities.
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Old 06-11-2004, 12:52 PM
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I don't think it would be fair to Clyde to put his files up here for free. I know I wouldn't like it in the least. In a way I paid for these files too, by giving away my stuff for free.



I will send you the 2 complaints that are on the zip file if you want them.
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Old 06-11-2004, 04:17 PM
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Some info i found on in my files:



18 USC Sec. 514 [01/06/97]

TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I - CRIMES

CHAPTER 25 - COUNTERFEITING AND FORGERY

Sec. 514. Fictitious Obligations Statute



Taking Section 514 you can turn it around and use it on any government official, employee or the employee of the IRS to charge them under this section for failing to list the contract with the signature obligating the American, when they file a lien on the American,



I draw an analogy that even an eighth grader can understand. You don't have to go through a lot of gobble-de-gook of law to understand. You buy a 1500-dollar refrigerator from Sears under a contract to pay in 90-day cash. You sign the slip, they keep a copy, and you keep a copy. Sears delivers to your house. 90 days comes and you didn't pay. Sears now sends you a notice, commercial law you know, same as IRS operates under. You either ignore the letter or respond saying you will pay. Step one is done. Sears sends you a second letter. Same thing happens as in step one. Sears now sends you a third notice and demand to pay. Now step three is satisfied. Just like IRS does. Sears now goes to the county where you live and files a UCC-1 Form. One of two processes is required.



#1 The UCC-1 must contain the debtors signature and the creditors signature. Well Sears knows you are not going to sign that Form.



#2 The Form states that a bill, contract, must be presented containing the debtors signature before filing can occur. Sears has that contract you signed 180 days ago so Sears attaches the evidence to the UCC-1 Form and it is filed. This VERIFYS Sears Claim. Now Sears, (United States) can take you to court anytime it wants or send a collection agency (IRS) to hound you. Sears (United States, AKA Congress) can get a court judgment against you without your having to appear in court because you have been given the due process afforded under contract law. Sears can show the contract bearing your signature. Can the United States? Sears can show evidence of a 30-day letter, the second 30-day letter and the final 30-day letter, all totaling 90 days past the 90 days you agreed, by contract you would pay.



No, you cannot claim lack of due process under contract law because you did not have a court hearing. Sears created it's own court administratively and you failed to respond or responded incorrectly.



Now what does the IRS have to file with the county recorder if you won't go and sign the UCC-1 Form? Has the IRS this VALIDATION do***ent that allows the County Recorder to file the Notice of Lien? Hey, you are big people and can figure it out for yourself, can't you? Ahhh , I see a lot of complicity with the IRS and County Recorders lighting up so that not only Section 514 can be used, but EXTORTION, FILING FALSE AND FRAUDULENT DO***ENTS INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD, SLANDER OF TITLE, and any other cogent law that you can find in State law.



Now use this same principle in the Redemption scam. Yes, it is a scam. #1 You cannot contract with your self, is the maxim of law.



#2 Do you have a signed contract with the debtor, the alter ego you, that IRS says exists? Now you know why you can't file a UCC-1 on the alter ego debtor.



#3. You "accept for value" the debt the IRS laid on this alter ego.



What you have just done is verify the IRS has a claim and in accepting for value you just made yourself a surety for that 1500 dollar refrigerator. Geeze, just look it up in the UCC - it's right there. Now you must pay that and Sears (IRS) can make you pay it. IRS now has your signature verifying what they could not legally file,-- remember the contract bearing your signature that you signed for at the Sears store? You, in doing this Redemption crap just helped the IRS overcome the illegality of their flawed Lien process. It is all in the UCC if you took the time to read it ALL, instead of blindly following the blind who did not research far enough.



Will people ever learn? No, because everyone is looking for that silver bullet that is handed to them on a silver platter. There ain't no such two animals existing. No one wants to tax their brain, and as a result, for decades upon decades people go to jail, lose their property for failing to do their own research after we researchers have warned of such things. If it sounds to easy and too good to be true, 99 percent of the time it is nothing for nothing but heartache.

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Old 06-11-2004, 05:59 PM
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#1 You are not contracting with yourself. You are contracting with a "business entity" (the all cap STRAWMAN/TRADENAME). Corporations are not "real flesh and blood" but they contract with real flesh and blood -- they contract with their employees and customers -- it happens every day.



#2 Yes. As the "business enitity's AGENT" you can sign any contract binding the business entity to the terms of the contract.



#3 No. I don't "A4V" anything. I always require "verification" and "proof of authority".



The IRS <u>HAS NOTHING</u> ! The UCC FS filed against the "business entity/STRAWMAN" is a claim that the "business entity/STRAWMAN" is in debt to the "flesh and blood". This UCC FS is proof of PRIOR CLAIM and the IRS will have to wait in line to collect anything from the "business entity/STRAWMAN" because the "flesh and blood" gets paid FIRST.



Methinks you should reconsider what you are trying to prove. The UCC filed against the STRAWMAN does not give the IRS any evidence that you have accepted responsibility for any IRS claim of debt they make against the STRAWMAN. That is ABSURD reasoning.


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Old 06-11-2004, 07:16 PM
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Ice, I concur.



Hakeem, I respect your opinion, read your post, then read ice's, If sears used the original to file the ucc1, once you(flesh and blood) ask for certified verification, can they give it? I'll answer for you, No, because they used it to get the ucc1.And even if they did, real man has already claimed organization/trade-name/trade-mark/debtor prior to sears.



I conditionally accept the statement/opinion that the redemption process is CRAP upon proof that anyone that has claimed the ALL CAPS name has been sent to jail or even sent a warning by sos, fbi, cia, or any other gang/mob for doing so, I have not seen nor have i been presented with any material fact that this process is in fact CRAP.







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Old 06-11-2004, 07:24 PM
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I'm sorry CRAP=SCAM.
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Old 06-12-2004, 09:47 PM
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All:

Methinks a clarification on the UCC-1 is in order.

A filed UCC-1 in an of itself isn't necessarily proof of a prior claim; it's merely proof of <u>a</u> claim--big difference. On top of that, it must be backed by a security agreement (or some other evidence/proof of claim, I think) and the UCC-1 should reference that. Standalone forms aren't valid. To prove superior claim, one might also need a UCC-11 listing your filing as the first or only one against the debtor in question.
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Old 06-13-2004, 01:53 AM
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Date of filing the UCC FS and the date of the PA/SA/HHIA canall be used as proof of "prior" claim. The UCC FS is only Public Notice of the claim of debt. The personal docs are the actual proof of it.
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