CPN's? and Redemption for public funds w/ FRNs

[juststartingout]

Yes, another question....



I've been reading almost ALL DAY and still haven't found what I'm looking for. So much info to read! Anyway - I've been reading alot of you offering good faith payments using CPNs. This leaves me mindboggled



I guess if I knew more of exactly what a PN is it might help - but I'm confused as to how one can just issue a CPN out of thin air and it cancels a debt? How does that qualify as a payment? I realize the credit was established out of thin air, but wouldn't the cycle just go back and forth? How does one do this andget awayw/ it? YK, at face value & not fully understanding, it sems like theft. KWIM?



I know i could prollyget a lot of these questions answered by reading CTC3... but the flow of FRNs ain't so great these days...



Also, like I said - i've done lots of reading today Curious if anyone has turned in a FRN to a bank and requested public $ for it? What was the response from the institution? What is the response of others when you use the public funds w/ purchasing things?



ohh... one more thing ... VOD... does that apply to CC only? What about old medical bills that were sent to collection? Or NSFs sent to collection? Just curious what to expect.

[Jerseee]

juststartingout,



Just what do you grasp so far about what you are reading?



This symbol "$" represents no silver. The line through the S is a strikethrough. ALso, I copied my post from the UCC forum to here. Read the following and I hope it answers your questions about CPNs and the like.



fellow redemptors have had lots of questions about BoEs and CPNs in other forums. Well as we all know there is no money. Those dollars in your pockets are CPNs basically. that's it, they are just promises to pay. A form for bankers and accountants to use to transfer digits from one column to another in their ledgers. Here is a direct quote from the book "Modern Money Mechanics" that the IRS published years ago that is now out ot print...



"Money has been defined as the sum of transaction accounts in depository institutions, and currency and travelers checks in the hands of the public. Currency is something almost everyone uses every day. Therefore, when most people think of money, they think of currency. Contrary to this popular impression, however, transaction deposits are the most significant part of the money stock." "Since the most important component of money is transaction deposits, and since these deposits must be supported by reserves, the central bank's influence over money hinges on its control over the total amount of reserves and the conditions under which banks can obtain them." pg. 14 Modern Money mechanics

This is all about the control of the deception folks!



If you look at your dollars you will see that they are negotiable instruments. What are negotiable instruments?



"Negotiable instruments can be defined as a signed writing that contains an unconditional promise or order to pay an exact sum of money on demand or at a specified future time to a specific person. A negotiable instrument can function in two ways: 1. as a substitute for money 2. as an extension of credit."



The UCC defines what a negotiable instrument is as well (3-104(b)).



Now think about your exemption. Your exemption is your credit. Which is unlimited. You can grant the use of your credit to anyone, any business or even any government entity. It is YOUR credit since there is no lawful money. Remember, congress can only coin money not print it!

They are printing money up and paying people with what comes off the presses that they use. So in essence the government has an exemption as well and they use it everyday. But if you or I printed our own dollars, you would be guilty of counterfeiting. But my opinion is that the FED has a copyright on the form and the exact specifications of their federal reserve notes. So they file a claim against you for violation of their copyright (IMHO).

Now what makes an instrument negotiable?



Well there are six elements that are needed to make it negotiable and they are:



1. be in writing

2. be signed by the maker or drawer

3. be an unconditional promise or order to pay

4. state a fixed amount of money

5. be payable on demand or at a definite time

6. be payable to order or to bearer, unless its a check



Anything can be a negotiable instrument as long as these guidelines are followed. But the 5 common types are:



1. promissory notes

2. checks

3. cretificates of deposit (CDs)

4. drafts (Bills of Exchange - BoE)

5. Bonds



So now that you know the elements of a negotiable instrument, the public law that allows you to create a negotiable instrument and that you are the creditor--you can see the power that you have to create and eliminate debt.



Whenever you use a BoE or CPN, you should have a presentment or bill attached to it. This shows proof of the debt and authorizes your trustee to discharge the debt using your exemption and signature as consideration. Remember, it was your signature that created the debt/obligation in the first place.



This is what I have learned in my studies and by questions that I have fielded to financial professionals that did not give me a straight answer but just smiled most of the time as a response.

[juststartingout]

Thank you for your reply and being willing to C&P that, Jersee. It does answer some questions for me But where do I find that we are able to just write out a CPN and get away with it. (Yes, I'm skeptical.) Where do I get this right to do this according to law.



You asked what I am grasping so far.. here are some thoughts I had over the last 2 days:



if we (the People) own the bonds that are created that are given to the FedReserve which turns around and puts money into circulation for that loan, then we own all the credit that is created from the issuance of those bonds. they are lending us OUR money/credit....



that being said - is it my correct understanding that we can just write BoE's or CPNs for a large purchase and it would have to be accepted as paid in full? Seeing as the debt is ours? LIke say purchasing a house, or paying a medical bill? The credit is *ours*, right? So we can just use the BoE or CPN, right?

[Bird]

juststartingout:

"is it my correct understanding that we can just write BoE's or CPNs for a large purchase...? "



No. You should read HJR 192. It is on this site. To operate within the law/ public policy when discharging with a CPN, there must first be an existing obligation, and then you can discharge dollar for dollar the obligation with your CPN. The reason is because no one can demand payment of an obligation be made in any particular coin or currency.

[juststartingout]

Bird - thank you. I realized a little while after I posted, that that might be the case - remembering what I read yesterday abot obligations. Even while typing it it sounded absurd - I mean then we would be creating "money" for everyrhing and that just ain't right

[Jerseee]

Good catch Bird!



Thanks.



juststartingout,



Also, I would like to ask you some questions that may answer your questions.



How can you be born into debt?



At age 18, you are considered a majority. How can you incur a liability/obligation prior to reaching the age of 18? A minor cannot consent to an obligation (there are expections but not in this instance).



Additionally, the Federal Reserve is a private banking institution. Remember, Congress can coin money not print it and banks cannot create money or loan out their assets. If Congress is not coining money for distribution then there is no money. Actually Congress does coin gold but it is very limited. And the U.S. (corporate side) orders notes through the federal reserve and pays for the use of that fiat note. Thus a debt is incurred and passed on to the U.S. citizen (STRAWMAN). A debt that can never be repaid by the Strawman. HJR 192 is your remedy for all of this corruption.



The Fed is under contract and is a private banking system. So one cannot counterfeit a note, it is actually a copyright infringement but they make it sound worse than it is. This is why you will hear the term used, "the Faith of the people" or something like that....because the faith of the people is in that note. And that is what backs the note (dollar), is your faith that it will be accepted.



Now HJR 192 is your remedy right? And you have done your studies on negotiable instruments right? You also know that no one is above the law/public policy right? So anyone can create a contract. Anyone can create a note. So you create your own note that is unique and your backing of that note is your faith, case law supporting your situation and HJR 192.



With all those elements in place (along with the properties that make a note negotiable), you are making a factual statement. You are also using information that is verifiable and is public. So you are not hiding or getting away with anything--it is the law/public policy that you are using. therefore, I felt that a notary would be the best thing to use since they are:



Public Officials and their seal is recognized throughout the land.



They are witnesses as well as allowing you to swear in on the facts.



They help make your note an original unique document.



And for some reason or another, you have a commercial document that is ready to be filed in any matter at the county or in a courtroom.



So no one is lending you your own credit, well not until you sign a application or something like that and they are acting in a fudiciary status using your signature. You are the true creditor. If that is still to hard to absorb then think of this.....If the nation stopped using dollars and imagine everyone created their own notes and accepting those notes from everyone likewise--we would be richer than you can imagine and infaltion would not be rampant as it is. We could teach folks the responsibility of their credit and no one would go without. Homelessness could be unknown and so on and so forth. And as far as the national debt--that debt belongs to the corporate U.S.--not the people. They are a de facto entity and the world knows this. But they confuse folks constantly on where their jurisdiction begins and ends. This is why you do not want to be a US citizen--you have no rights if you are.



I hope my thesis helps.