Promissory Notes - An Idea

[Shoonra]

Number one: a promissory note is even less likely to get you out of jail than a check, because a check is payable immediately and a promissory note, as the name implies, is only a promise of payment in the future.

Number two: Your entire train of thought seems to be: How to make this document look like a good promissory note when, in fact, you intend never to deliver the cash that it promises.

Number three: A promissory note, of any sort, never pays nor discharges a debt. The promissory note itself is a debt, which you have to satisfy by paying the amount promised, in cash, on or before the date promised.

There is no way to make a promissory note good except by paying the amount promised on the date promised.

The little line about "when lawful currency is reinstated" negates it as a real promissory note. To begin with, the courts have said, and even the federal statutes have said, that FRNs are lawful currency, so the "reinstatement" means a non-existent date.

There is no magic by which you can avoid giving up real cash by writing something on a piece of paper and using that to pay your debts. So stop wasting time on figuring out how to get away with deadbeating people.

Anyone know more about the "Gene's Bean's" case in Michigan?

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/banks-...-specie-2.html

My friend who helped me write the Notice and Demand for discovery sent me this. I know this is true and my friend has paid a bail with computer paper that had S's with one line through it -- $. The judge accepted it as payment. Also I have another friend who is the President of the Internal Revenue Service State of Nevada and he paid child support with several pieces of paper that had noting more than $ typed on it. The research he is referring to is an affidavit writen by Todd Walker in December of 03.

Kitchie -- This is what I was telling you about last night. Do you want to do the research on the questions of "What is the substance of the money of account?" and "When there is no "Dollar Symbol" on the billing it is arbitrary and void for failure to state a "value". This could be very interesting research. pd

The two symbols for dollar have been defined: The original with 2 vertical lines meant the constitutional money of account dollar and the one with 1 vertical line is said to mean the UCC debt/credit dollar. I remember that, but not its source. Might have been from "Miracle on Main Street" by F. Tupper Saussy.

I was involved with "Gene's Bean's" case in Michigan where JC Penney sued a fellow for what his wife had run up on their credit account and the Judge (who became really pissed when we called the Wall Street Journal on his ruling) shouted: "I don't care if you pay it in coffee beans!" when queried by Gene as to the substance of the money of account the Judge could ORDER it paid in! The Judge knew he had blown it right then as his pencil went flipping up in the air and he said "Damn!"

No appeal taken as the plaintiff won a judgment and the defendant "paid" it in coffee beans! Case closed!

I used to have a court case that stated if there was no "Dollar Symbol" on the billing it was arbitrary and void for failure to state a "value". Numbers without the symbol are not "denominated in money"! It was a case involving a "tax bill" and I think it was a State Appeals Court that made the ruling! Do not remember the State off hand! Possibly Indiana or Ohio!

[Satori]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Number one: a promissory note is even less likely to get you out of jail than a check, because a check is payable immediately and a promissory note, as the name implies, is only a promise of payment in the future.

Number two: Your entire train of thought seems to be: How to make this document look like a good promissory note when, in fact, you intend never to deliver the cash that it promises.

Number three: A promissory note, of any sort, never pays nor discharges a debt. The promissory note itself is a debt, which you have to satisfy by paying the amount promised, in cash, on or before the date promised.

There is no way to make a promissory note good except by paying the amount promised on the date promised.

Beautiful, Shoonra. I couldn't have put it any better myself.

A "Note" is a promisory instrument. Like the Federal Reserve Notes. If there is no way to make a promisory note good except by paying the amount promised on the date promised, what of FRNs? There's not even a date on them.

The court accepts some Monopoly money but not others?

If it weren't for the "full faith" of the American people in its government, one might suspect that the only distinction is when it's their Monopoly money.

The little line about "when lawful currency is reinstated" negates it as a real promissory note. To begin with, the courts have said, and even the federal statutes have said, that FRNs are lawful currency, so the "reinstatement" means a non-existent date.

Interesting. I'm almost certain you have or can easily find where the courts and federal statutes have said that. Let's all show cards here. Please share your cites.

As for the Sui Juris common law advocates, for 200 pieces of pocket lint which will have to do until the people bring the gold back, please repost whatever founding document it was that said this country shalll have no lawful money other than gold or silver.

Then we can establish where it's lawful to attempt to rewrite the government's given parameters and limitations at a stroke of the government's own pen or by the words of the governments own magistrates, and when we all agree that it isn't, we can decide who to try for fraud and treason under color of authority.

There is no magic by which you can avoid giving up real cash by writing something on a piece of paper and using that to pay your debts. So stop wasting time on figuring out how to get away with deadbeating people.

Spoken like a true sovereign citizen to their government.


- Satori

[Ry123]

Shoonra remember a promissory note says to pay on demand and not in the future. And so who is in charge of delivering the cash FRN that it promises leads me to understand that I would have to write Unconditional Promise To Pay Through The Unites States Government On Demand To The Order Of. As it is the one obligated to pay/discharge my debts.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Number one: a promissory note is even less likely to get you out of jail than a check, because a check is payable immediately and a promissory note, as the name implies, is only a promise of payment in the future.

Number two: Your entire train of thought seems to be: How to make this document look like a good promissory note when, in fact, you intend never to deliver the cash that it promises.

Number three: A promissory note, of any sort, never pays nor discharges a debt. The promissory note itself is a debt, which you have to satisfy by paying the amount promised, in cash, on or before the date promised.

There is no way to make a promissory note good except by paying the amount promised on the date promised.

The little line about "when lawful currency is reinstated" negates it as a real promissory note. To begin with, the courts have said, and even the federal statutes have said, that FRNs are lawful currency, so the "reinstatement" means a non-existent date.

There is no magic by which you can avoid giving up real cash by writing something on a piece of paper and using that to pay your debts. So stop wasting time on figuring out how to get away with deadbeating people.