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Old 03-29-2006, 03:37 PM
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Federal Reserve SECRETS

The Secrets of the Federal Reserve and other Jekyl Island research and doctrine must be considered hearsay by any competent judiciary.

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/banks-...ighlight=jekyl

Otherwise I logically conclude, being an optimist about remedy that somebody would have been able to use the facts about the deceipt to make some headway against the banking cartels in control of currency. Therefore I am going to take a different approach to debunk the resident scam. I will use the Congressional Record itself, of which by the way not one word of verbiage has been recorded from any events on Jekyl Island or elsewhere. I suggest that the Reader wants to take in both perspectives and carefully consider how to use the Congressional Record to establish the work of Eustace Mullins and others into a credible and practicable cause of action for any disputes you care to enter about lawful money.

http://friends-n-family-research.inf...t_in_House.zip

When the .zip file link is activated it will have a good portion of the Senate and House testimony summarized by attachments below. Remember that the House consists of 435 people and the Senate consists of 100 (2 from each State). Therefore of the two, Congress would be a greater concern considered the House.

In a nutshell, while the Federal Reserve Act may have been voted on and passed in the Senate, the same required action before going to the President for signing never happened, according to the Record. I am going to ignore what happened on Jekyl Island or anywhere outside of Congress. Pages 1492 and 1493 say that Congress never convened anywhere between December 23, 1913 and January 12, 1914.

It behooves us to examine sine die first because according to the linked thread Congress failed to adjourn sine die and that opened the door for extra-congressional meetings. Sine die is the Latin term in Robert's Rules of Order for when a body has no set date to reconvene. The term is used when a Congress comes to the end of a term, meaning that they adjourn without day to reconvene (that same Congress anyway). For instance in 1861 the Congress adjourned sine die on March 28 because of the Southern representation boycotting the assembly. In the alternative, if the body will be assembling at a known day in the future, the Rules simply stipulate that day be announced in the minutes (Record). See the examples of adjournment verbiage in the .zip file.

We find the representative from Alabama engaging the process in some rather extraordinary protocol. Firstly on the afternoon of the 22nd, Mr. Underwood moves that the House will not meet until 2:30 pm on the 23rd so as to make it easier to get ready for the holidays. [Wouldn't it make better sense to get out of DC early? - to move the convention from noon to say, 9:00 am?]

Now carefully read about the Senate reporting the passage of the FRA and instead of voting the House goes into another recess. Note also they opened at 2:30, said a prayer and recessed already until 3:00. They adjourned at 3:10 so there was no activity regarding a vote or signing off from the House. In ten minutes they listened to the report from the Senate and considered another matter. There may be some very significant sophistry in that attached image. The Senate is reported to have (maybe) approved the FRA and then there is a mention of the enrolled bill being approved by the Senate (or the House?). But that is followed by a presentation about the bill called THE CURRENCY. Why would they be debating about the bill if they had just voted on it? The House debates prior to the vote. But this might juxtaposition the impression into the casual reader's mind that the House, like the Senate has now approved the FRA. [By the by, I find no indication in the verbiage that day that the Senate voted but I have not read the entire text. Some pages of the Senate (at the top of the page) debate is included in the .zip file but that is all I walked away from the copier with. For now I assume the report to the house is correct but remember the Senate is the minor branch of the bicameral system.]

Mr. Underwood gets involved again and makes an opening that anyone wishing to testify about the FRA can do so within the next five days, all under some confusing rhetoric about the indexing system. [Pages 1491-1492.] This may be the opening the bankers at Jekyl Island were awaiting. If so I propose it only worked de facto. If this testimony were properly put into evidence, I also propose it might be quite effective. In other words, any activities of Congress outside the timeframes of convention and adjournment, recorded in the Congressional Record, are bogus events null and void in every sense.

Examine the .zip file carefully for yourself. I am convinced after a glance that:

1) the House in a total of 10 minutes of floor time did not pass the Federal Reserve Act but left the impression in the verbiage that it did.

2) and that there was some kind of extraordinary five-day window of opportunity opened up under the obfuscation of indexing.

I hope that this may be more effective in the hands of suijuris Readers than books about what happened outside the scope of proper legislation.


Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S. As this thread develops, by early on Page 2 I feel the Jekyl Island scenario of passing the Federal Reserve Act in secrecy and obfuscation has been properly debunked.
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Some more American Citizens who agree with us, David

Take a look at this:

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Old 03-29-2006, 07:07 PM
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Project Hammer is all about money. Stupendous great gobs of money. So much money, in fact, that it will challenge whatever reality you thought you had about the over-world of banking, finance and economics. It is also about the nether world of international banking and finance, a world that is said not to exist in reality. But exist it does.

More often than not, this never-never-land of international banking is concealed from public view by the judicious use of two sets of books. It is also eclipsed from interested investigators by a never-ending series of real frauds that result in arrest and imprisonment of numerous scam artists. This creates the clever illusion that the only thing going on are artful scams designed to fleece the unwary.

Such swindles fall under the general category of High Yield Investment Programs, Front End Fee frauds and Prime Bank Note schemes. Numerous law enforcement cases such as these, when twinned with dire "beware" warnings published on FBI, US Treasury and other websites, easily lead one to conclude that there are no such things as "real" trading programs. And the powers that be don't at all object to this conclusion being reached. It is the old case of hiding trees in a forest.

A key point to keep to the fore in what follows is that trading programs operate "off ledger". That is to say, the banks and central banks that operate them run two sets of books: one set for public scrutiny, and another set for private viewing only.

Another fact to bear in mind is that authorised programs generate quite spectacular profits for very little--in fact, minuscule--risk, and those who are invited to participate as funders accumulate capital at a shockingly rapid rate. One reason, perhaps, why the wealthy get altogether wealthier as the poor sink ever lower into the mire of poverty.
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All Government muncipalities (county, city, state) are also carrying two sets of books. They always moan about how broke they are. When in reality they are not at all! Example: Cook County Il. declared it was Bankrupt and when a concerned citizen made a request for a "Comprehensive Financal Disclosure Statement" it told the real story. Turns out that the county was actually sitting on over $55 Million dollars in this second set of "books". Or Orange County, Calif. declaring Bankruptcy in 1991 they where sitting on over $90 million dollars! If me or you kept accounting practices like that we would quickly be made residents at some club fed and hoping for a conjugal visit! Thats what they send Mafia guys to prison for! But because the gov. does it, thats O.K.??!! Also these "second sets of books" that the various gov. entitys have are probably the biggest players in the stock markets, etc.
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Take a look at this:

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that page is an excellent summary!
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I get the distinct feeling that these responses are more appropriate on the Secrets of the Federal Reserve thread. It really seems to me that at first glance and without the link to fuller documentation active, people only saw another (redundant) thread about what happened after the alleged passing of the Federal Reserve Act.

I want to bring Readers' attention to what actually happened and can be proven to have happened in Congress. The events that may or may not have happened on Jekyl Island or outside of Congress are very interesting but obviously not very useful.

Now that the link is working to the .zip file, please take a careful look and decide if you want to debate my interpretation of events described in the opening post.

http://friends-n-family-research.inf...t_in_House.zip



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Old 03-31-2006, 06:30 AM
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This is curious.

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Originally Posted by David Merrill on opening this thread.

The Secrets of the Federal Reserve and other Jekyl Island research and doctrine must be considered hearsay by any competent judiciary.

So now I am figuring Readers must have thought I meant that the Federal Reserve Act has had no effect on macroeconomic history? It would seem by the response that I must be perceived as a FRN-is-not-money debunker after all this time?

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All Government muncipalities (county, city, state) are also carrying two sets of books. They always moan about how broke they are. When in reality they are not at all! Example: Cook County Il. declared it was Bankrupt and when a concerned citizen made a request for a "Comprehensive Financal Disclosure Statement" it told the real story. Turns out that the county was actually sitting on over $55 Million dollars in this second set of "books". Or Orange County, Calif. declaring Bankruptcy in 1991 they where sitting on over $90 million dollars! If me or you kept accounting practices like that we would quickly be made residents at some club fed and hoping for a conjugal visit! Thats what they send Mafia guys to prison for! But because the gov. does it, thats O.K.??!! Also these "second sets of books" that the various gov. entitys have are probably the biggest players in the stock markets, etc.

Government does not keep two sets of books. There is a working financial report that does not require reporting assets that are not liquid. In other words the citizens have unwittingly invested in the Stock Market and if this is rolled over to the next year, there is no need to report the figures. And there is the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report - the CAFR. It takes four or five months to publish, but the 2005 CAFR for the City of Colorado Springs/METRO is available for free about now on the second floor of the City Building downtown. A block away they charge $25 copy costs for the County of El Paso CAFR. If you want the Government Profit Centers like the impound yard broken out of the figures though, that gets a little more difficult. I attempted to do that in a traffic trial* and it was ruled irrelevant to the matter by the attorney in the black robe. That would have been testimony that profits of the auction of my scooter would have been profiting the police retirement funds and additionally getting the impound and acquisitions (forfeiture/arresting) officer's testimony would have revealed that either of those officers could dress down and bid at that auction - conflict of interest. Additionally the impound officer would not produce the impound lot's policies in any written form summoned duces tecum (documentation) due to the policies being basically whatever the Chief of Police tells them verbally at the impound lot. [The TWEA acts against the presumed enemy, citizen of the US, under necessity and letters of marque - any irregularity like expired plates is considered grounds for forfeiture of the vessel in question.]

My point being that it is unrealistic to consider the FRA uneffective for policy setting.

http://Friends-n-Family-Research.inf...March_1933.jpg

What I said yesterday was:

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The events that may or may not have happened on Jekyl Island or outside of Congress are very interesting but obviously not very useful.

Meaning that even without being approved by the 435 members of the House, Presidential executive powers were able to implement the Federal Reserve Act as though it were law.

It would seem that if anyone were to argue about it, one would acquire the most substantial threads of history with which to argue - for instance the Congressional Record.


But that is just how I think...


Regards,

David Merrill.

* Within a few hours of filing the CAFR in the case jacket and another copy to the DA, the police helicopter located me and circled closely for ten or fifteen minutes. I mean dangerously low, within 150 feet and circling at about a 300 foot radius above. I was smiling and waving and the alarmed people around me were quite amazed that I could draw such attention to myself.

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Meaning that even without being approved by the 435 members of the House, Presidential executive powers were able to implement the Federal Reserve Act as though it were law.

So from this I gather that the Federal Reserve Act is not law, meaning that the Federal Reserve is bank for banks in the Corprate US. FRN's are like store credit, or store debt instruments, for use wherever the Corp US does/is the business. The President of the Company, that just so happens to be in bankruptcy, is George BUSH. He has the power to write whatever policy [Executive Order] he deems necessary for the running and profitability of the Company.

The FRA is not Law and yet the USA is stuck with Federal Reserve Banking system. How would a person investigate or find the actual document Wilson signed that created the Fed Res. Is that even necessary, since it could be, or say anything because it is a corporate policy document.

Am I just missing the point?
I am not at a point [court case] where this information becomes usefull to me. Other than the fact that there is no conspiracy, everything that happens legally and in courts and such is just corp US, and we the people are just too ignorant to see it. It really becomes easy to step out of their store/corporation and do business elseware when I finally figure out that I was in their store to beginwith.

I didnt even see where the bill became enrolled in the senate. Although I dont have the actual Cong Rec here in front of me and am going on only what you have put in front of me. There appeared to be some bickering in the Senate about GOP members walking out or not being invited to the conference. That, I believe is a nothing though.

What is the 5-day window for written testimony. Did any find its way into the Record? It was over the holidays so what Rep in their right mind was gonna do homework.
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Old 03-31-2006, 08:32 AM
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Thank you for considering this subject carefully within the scope of the Congressional Record.


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So from this I gather that the Federal Reserve Act is not law, meaning that the Federal Reserve is bank for banks in the Corprate US. FRN's are like store credit, or store debt instruments, for use wherever the Corp US does/is the business...

Exactly! And if we can inherently exhonorate ourselves from that currency system by a working knowledge of the truth, then it functions properly in its place. [Since March 20, the termination of M3 Reporting, there has been rumor Bernanke will be dropping $2t "by helecopter" and inflating the money supply. Gold and silver will not be dropping from the record highs, at the least as the world loses confidence in the dollar.]

I am speaking practically. In the office supply store I returned a roll of tape for a refund - wrong size. She generated a special receipt and pushed it at me with a pen, "I will need your signature here." I wrote N/A (for non-applicable). [Usually I just pick up the FRNs and coins and ignore the signature proposition but that comes off as rude.] When the woman inquired why I would not sign I showed her the notes going into my wallet and said, "These particular notes are non-negotiable instruments." She seemed okay with that but there were people behind me in line too.

The point being is endorsement. The FRNs need confidence. That is the nature of criminal syndicalism. The FRNs became negotiable instruments the moment they emerged from my wallet to buy a Subways' sandwich a couple hours later. But there is no papertrail like with the refund receipt tracking me into the fray. So I enjoy the sandwich knowing that the FRNs are like the bus transfer as a bill of exchange, only they last longer than 90 minutes...



The FRA is not Law and yet the USA is stuck with Federal Reserve Banking system. How would a person investigate or find the actual document Wilson signed that created the Fed Res. Is that even necessary, since it could be, or say anything because it is a corporate policy document.

That is going on through the Congressional Record posted here. The grind is that the President signed on the 23rd of December under the cursory glance that between 3:00 and 3:10 pm the House, like the Senate had approved the FRA while it is clear from the debate in the Senate attached that even the Senate had some hot dispute about the Act. However if you want a peek at the original bill with the CEO's signature call the federal register:

Federal Register: Main PageThe Federal Register, on GPO Access, is the daily publication for Rules, Proposed Rules, and Notices of the Federal Government.
http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html


U.S. Government Printing Office Home Page
Select Forms & Standards HEADLINES. GPO and the National Archives celebrate the 70th Anniversary of the Federal Register.
http://www.access.gpo.gov/



Am I just missing the point?

No. I think people who assumed the court of competent jurisdiction is somewhere out there responded prematurely without getting the point. I know of somebody who served sound testimony about oaths - some garbage about nunc pro tunc for the past 26 years. I will give more details as things are sealed on appropriate record but the first thing was to immediately seal the Information up tight.

I am saying that the purpose of the Congressional Record is a preserved public broadcast of true and correct testimony. Now we have the testimony - let's do some forum shopping folks! Who is going to hear the testimony?


I am not at a point [court case] where this information becomes usefull to me. Other than the fact that there is no conspiracy, everything that happens legally and in courts and such is just corp US, and we the people are just too ignorant to see it. It really becomes easy to step out of their store/corporation and do business elseware when I finally figure out that I was in their store to beginwith.

I didnt even see where the bill became enrolled in the senate.

Thank you for looking. Now I will go back and copy in the missing blanks. This is an echo chamber as far as I am concerned so I will not go through a lot of trouble until I know Readers are interacting with me and the repository. Thank you for such lucid posting!

Although I dont have the actual Cong Rec here in front of me and am going on only what you have put in front of me. There appeared to be some bickering in the Senate about GOP members walking out or not being invited to the conference. That, I believe is a nothing though.

When I saw the Senate convened at 10 am and that Mr. Underwood set the convention (of the House) for 2:30 pm, I thought that was fishy until I remembered the Record was covering both conventions. I was convinced for a few minutes that there was a secret convention of congressmen in the know that they would meet at 10 am excluding those who did not know.

What is the 5-day window for written testimony. Did any find its way into the Record? It was over the holidays so what Rep in their right mind was gonna do homework.

None is there that I have spotted. The Record is complete posted into January of 1914. However the window had something to do with indexing. So maybe it would not show up there. My point was that Mr. Underwood was using the Robert's Rules to manipulate a facade of legitamacy creating the illusion that the FRA (in less than ten minutes) went through House/Congress before it got Presidential approval. The permanent Record shows the President signed off on it on the 23rd.

All in all I believe we are viewing some very convincing evidence supporting that executive powers of war and emergency have been in place since the 1861 extraordinary occasion. Just like many people think. The only approval necessary for the FRA to go into effect as though federal law was from the Executive. Even prior to the amendments to the 1917 Trading with the Enemy Act in 1933. The FRA was not flying well because of fears that more centralization of banking would be abused by central bankers - so after a while the President/CEO acting as Commander in Chief signed off on it and the Congressional Record tried to be the best dog-and-pony show it could.


Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S. Rules of Evidence. Rumor has it that Wilson later said he unwittingly destroyed the nation with signing the FRA. Prove that.

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