How can I find help with completing the redemption process?

[iamfreeru2]

Suijuris,



I believe you are referring to the cite below when you talk about UCC3-501.



(3) Without dishonoring the instrument, the party to whom presentment is made may (i) return the instrument for lack of a necessary indorsement, or (ii) refuse payment or acceptance for failure of the presentment to comply with the terms of the instrument, an agreement of the parties, or other applicable law or rule.



First if that happened then they would agree with what we do. Since the powers that be deal in fiction and not reality, that ain't gonna happen. Notice the above reasons for the refusal. If the refusal does not meet the the conditions above it is a dishonor.



"Accept for value" simply means full acceptance and we tender "payment" via our exemption (consideration). I have been successful at this with IRS claimed debt. I also file a Commercial Affidavit every year and have never had a frivolous return penalty either. I have done this for 1993-2003.



Jerseee,



Thank you for your reply. Yes we will soon be in the enemy's camp. However, we will not swear in or testify. We do have a third party that will be submitting evidence on behalf of the Secured Parties (my wife and I). This will be done by Notary Public, who will be submitting the Notarial Protest to show the Plaintiff in Dishonor. This is allowed without us having to swear in or testify. Everthing we are doing is in the private and that is where we want it to remain.



We are very hopeful of a victory. I will share with all what takes place on the 21st. We have been in much preparation for this meeting.



Ice,



First off the facts are on the moon. It matters not what the facts are, when you deal in fiction. The courts care less about the facts of a case.



It is my opinion that we will never take back our judicial system. In order to do this many more people would have to wake up and I do not see this happening. People are too lazy and ignorant and would rather rely on someone else to do for them.



You think the government and the courts are out to get us and they are doing things all wrong. If they were out to get us then they would not have given us remedy. The problem is they are not going to tell us what that remedy is. Did they ever tell us that HJR 192 is where we find remedy in the public. No, we had to find it.



When the Lord came and died on the cross for my debt it wasn't just my sin debt, but all my debt. I believe everything is going according to plan. The Father created all and is able to take care of us. Those that believe in Him He will provide for. This is but a temporary stop for me and heaven is my home.



We do not have to be a part of the fiction. That is for those who do not believe. If we believe and follow the Lord don't you think he has provided a way for us to escape the tyranny.



The real law is the word of God. If you believe in a creator, then why do you not believe what He says. Why do we continue to war when He says to be reconciled. He says love your enemies and pray for them. Does that sound like He wants us to go to war against them? He will take care of it and we need to let Him be God. Deuteronomy 32: 35,36 says: "Vengeance is Mine, and retribution. In due time their foot will slip; For the day of their calamity is near, And the impending things are hastening upon them." "For the Lord will vindicate His people, And will have compassion on His servants; When he sees that their strength is gone.



One of the biggest problems we have is that we want to do everything in our owns strength and we are failing miserably at it. Our ego and pride gets in the way of allowing God to rule our lives. We have been wronged and we want to take everything in our own hands when God says the vengeance is His.



I believe the judicial system will change when we quit fighting and going to war. If there is no one to fight or to war with things will change for the better. The system feeds on the fact that people are constantly at battle. No battle no Lawyers and Judges. I refuse to battle any longer.



I have said enough. I think I have made my point. If you did not know where I am coming from before now you know.



iamfreeru2

[iamfreeru2]

Ice,



You say you have seen no wins in Redemption. I have won and helped others win as well, but can I prove it? No. Why? Because the private is private and those in the public do not want their slaves to know what goes on in the private. If they did they would lose their grip on those they control. That is why people like Jack Smith and Victoria Joy hold private meetings. Only those that wish to be private are allowed in. That is why you hear very litle in regard to wins. Think about it.



Those that lose do not know what they are doing or are in this for the wrong reason. If you are in this for personal gain you will always lose out. What is your motivation? To please yourself or the Father in heaven.



Am I saying I know what I am doing? I am saying I am learning and as many others I make mistakes. Does that make the process wrong? Certainly not!! Private is axactly that, Private!! Those that win keep the info private so as to not cause problems for others that wish to remain private.



iamfreeru2

[Jerseee]

iamfree,



I hope to hear a good word on your outcome on the 21st. But there is one thing that puzzles me, why is everything so private?



How can we ever bring a stop to all of this if the truth is so heavily guarded and kept private? This sounds similar to masonry or the skull and cross bones.



Don't you see the apprehension that this creates? Mysticism is the word I think of.



iamfree, if all of this privacy and secrecy is suppose to keep the wretched away--then I would have to say this is wrong. For the father rewards both the righteous and the wicked. If you are wicked--it has its own wages. This is not their obligation. they need to divulge the secret to all. To keep such a thing is unethical and clsoe to greedy.



Until the cloak is somewhat removed--I don't agree with the practice of privacy when so many need personal freedom. This act is just as bad as the ones perpetrating the fraud on us daily. It appears that they all maybe in cahoots.



I hope you can see my position looking from the outside in.

[Ice]

Ice,



First off the facts are on the moon. It matters not what the facts are, when you deal in fiction. The courts care less about the facts of a case. hahahahahahaha The facts are on the moon if you don't know how to get the facts on the record. If I have first hand knowledge of Facts I can get them entered into the record.



It is my opinion that we will never take back our judicial system. In order to do this many more people would have to wake up and I do not see this happening. People are too lazy and ignorant and would rather rely on someone else to do for them. "Can't" never did anything. What if the founders of this free world held your attitude?



You think the government and the courts are out to get us and they are doing things all wrong. If they were out to get us then they would not have given us remedy. The problem is they are not going to tell us what that remedy is. Did they ever tell us that HJR 192 is where we find remedy in the public. No, we had to find it. I didn't say that the government and the courts were out to get us. You put words in my mouth. The courts belong to us and should be used by us.



When the Lord came and died on the cross for my debt it wasn't just my sin debt, but all my debt. I believe everything is going according to plan. The Father created all and is able to take care of us. Those that believe in Him He will provide for. This is but a temporary stop for me and heaven is my home. I'm not here to talk about my religous beliefs... I'm here to discuss matters of Law.



We do not have to be a part of the fiction. That is for those who do not believe. If we believe and follow the Lord don't you think he has provided a way for us to escape the tyranny. I am not part of the fiction. My religous beliefs are what they are and they are not up for discussion.



The real law is the word of God. If you believe in a creator, then why do you not believe what He says. Why do we continue to war when He says to be reconciled. He says love your enemies and pray for them. Does that sound like He wants us to go to war against them? He will take care of it and we need to let Him be God. Deuteronomy 32: 35,36 says: "Vengeance is Mine, and retribution. In due time their foot will slip; For the day of their calamity is near, And the impending things are hastening upon them." "For the Lord will vindicate His people, And will have compassion on His servants; When he sees that their strength is gone.



One of the biggest problems we have is that we want to do everything in our owns strength and we are failing miserably at it. Our ego and pride gets in the way of allowing God to rule our lives. We have been wronged and we want to take everything in our own hands when God says the vengeance is His. If you believe that this represents what I do then you are sadly mistaken. This isn't close to a description of what court is about. Someone has really twisted your ideas of what court is. Please do not discuss how religous beliefs play a role in what we do. Discuss the Process/Procedure.



I believe the judicial system will change when we quit fighting and going to war. If there is no one to fight or to war with things will change for the better. The system feeds on the fact that people are constantly at battle. No battle no Lawyers and Judges. I refuse to battle any longer. Your earlier opinion is that we will never take back our judicial system... now a change of tune with the stipulation of not fighting and going to war. I told you, there is no fight. It is only a determination of facts. Those that are judged at the Last Day will be judged by FACTS -- right? The facts are only on the moon when you don't know how to get the facts on the Record. And the redemption processes do not get facts on the record. I have seen the redemption processes cause more grief than necessary.



When you have completed your redemption processes in your ongoing situations ... you'll be rethinking my advice to learn the Law and court procedure... because you will need that knowledge. I can wait 'till then.



I have said enough. I think I have made my point. If you did not know where I am coming from before now you know.



I only want to add that you cannot mix Administrative processes with "Judicial" procedure. And that's where people get screwed up. Using the Courts that the People Created is the most honorable thing that we can do. Use the Courts and take them out of the hands of those that have usurped their control from us. We await the outcome of your ongoing situations so that you can share the details of how you remained in honor.

[suijuris]

Originally Posted by SuiJuris

I have a question for those of you promoting the stamping of presentments with "Accepted for Value" or "Refusal for cause UCC 3-501".



The question is this: If you sent a debtor an invoice for the unauthorized use of your trade-name and they returned your invoice marked in this manner and without payment, would your debtor be in default?

Originally Posted by iamfreeru2

First if that happened then they would agree with what we do. Since the powers that be deal in fiction and not reality, that ain't gonna happen.

I know that it can happen - I have seen posts indicating that one "redemptor" recieved a copyright notice and invoice from another. But just forget about the copyright notice for a little, and think of another scenario:



A redemptor who runs his own business sends out invoices to his clients for services rendered. They all mark the invoices "Accepted for Value" and return them to the redemptor.



Now, should the redemptor be satisified that, as you say, his clients "...agree with what we do?" Put yourself in this scenario and answer honestly.

Originally Posted by iamfreeru2

"Accept for value" simply means full acceptance and we tender "payment" via our exemption (consideration). I have been successful at this with IRS claimed debt. I also file a Commercial Affidavit every year and have never had a frivolous return penalty either. I have done this for 1993-2003.

Thanks for the definition and sharing your personal experiences with the IRS. However, if you would kindly look at my original question, you would see that it was a yes/no questions. So once again, would your debtor be in default?

[iamfreeru2]

Jerseee,



Remember what happened to Pharaoh, when he would not release the slaves. God eventually hardened his heart because he would not listen. God has given us many chances to listen to Him through His word. He has made it simple for us to believe and follow Him. He sent His Son to die for us that we would have Redemption if only we believe and take Him at His word. If we do not believe that do you think he will reveal the truth about the real remedy to us? Nothing happens by chance or coincidence. It is all for a reason.



It is not about secrecy it is about doing the will of the Father. It is about the Lord revealing to His children what they need to live a life free of tyranny. If people will listen He will reveal. If people wish to live a lie that is their choice. If one wishes to learn the truth it is there for the one who wants it.



There is a public side and a private side. The public represents slavery and the private represents redemption and freedom. For those that wish to remain in the public there is no redemption and they will remain slaves. You cannot be a part of the public and receive a remedy in the private. It is like when the Bible says: "Come out from among them and be ye separate." The public is like Pharaoh in that the public does not listen.



I have shared much with people and all has fallen on deaf ears. I can not force people to believe. It is like when I share the gospel people; if they do not accept who are they rejecting me or God? The problems we face in this great nation are because we have abandoned the principles upon which we were founded. We have a Christian herritage, but we have lost our way. Until we get on our faces before God and seek His face we will not see a healing in our land. He is the only one that can do it.



The Constitution gurantees the people the right to live their lives protected from oppression and tyranny. Our unalienable right is to live our lives without interference from government and to live our lives in privacy. We give up that right when we become part of the public by choice. By remaining in the private we have freedom and remedy we cannot get in the public.



iamfreeru2

[iamfreeru2]

Suijuris,

The question is this: If you sent a debtor an invoice for the unauthorized use of your trade-name and they returned your invoice marked in this manner and without payment, would your debtor be in default?

If the debtor did not meet all the requirements for returning "Refused for Cause UCC 3-501" yes he would be in default. If I sent the the invoice with something missing then the answer is no.



If the debtor sends "Accepted for Value" and is a private flesh and blood man/woman I would accept it. The reason I send out invoices, however, is because a fiction would be using my trademark for personal gain in commerce. Flesh and blood men and women do not do this. Your scenario is unrealistic.



iamfreeru2

[suijuris]

Originally Posted by iamfreeru2

If the debtor sends "Accepted for Value" and is a private flesh and blood man/woman I would accept it. The reason I send out invoices, however, is because a fiction would be using my trademark for personal gain in commerce. Flesh and blood men and women do not do this. Your scenario is unrealistic.

Very well, but what about the scenario where someone accepts for value an invoice for services you have performed?

[iamfreeru2]

Suijuris,



If it is s fellow redemptor no problem. I know I would not receive it from a fiction. I am not in this for personal gain. Victoria Joy is accepting BoEs from fellow redemptors as donations and I would do the same. In fact those that I help I do not charge, but will accept donations if one is led to do that.



iamfreeru2

[iamfreeru2]

Ice,

From Ice

hahahahahahaha The facts are on the moon if you don't know how to get the facts on the record. If I have first hand knowledge of Facts I can get them entered into the record.

If you deal in fiction do facts matter? NO. Many people have had facts ignored and wrongly convicted. You may be the exception.

"Can't" never did anything. What if the founders of this free world held your attitude?

This is not my attitude. It is others that have let this happen.

I didn't say that the government and the courts were out to get us. You put words in my mouth. The courts belong to us and should be used by us.

I apologize for the use of words. I did not mean literally you. Just a figure of my speach. My bad.

I'm not here to talk about my religous beliefs... I'm here to discuss matters of Law.

I am discussing the law not religion. God's word is the real law or did you not know this?



I

am not part of the fiction. My religous beliefs are what they are and they are not up for discussion.

I am not discussing your beliefs. I am talking about those that follow God's law and has nothing to do with "religion." God is not a religion, he is the creator and His law is supreme.

If you believe that this represents what I do then you are sadly mistaken. This isn't close to a description of what court is about. Someone has really twisted your ideas of what court is. Please do not discuss how religous beliefs play a role in what we do. Discuss the Process/Procedure.

All I am saying is that most people that go to court want to fight. You are the exception. The Scriptures say to make friends with you opponent on the way, as I quoted already. That means do not enter the court. It means settle all disputes before it gets out of hand, in the private. This is what God says not me. If you want to blame someone blame Him, as He is the author.

Your earlier opinion is that we will never take back our judicial system... now a change of tune with the stipulation of not fighting and going to war. I told you, there is no fight. It is only a determination of facts. Those that are judged at the Last Day will be judged by FACTS --right? The facts are only on the moon when you don't know how to get the facts on the Record. And the redemption processes do not get facts on the record. I have seen the redemption processes cause more grief than necessary.



When you have completed your redemption processes in your ongoing situations ... you'll be rethinking my advice to learn the Law and court procedure... because you will need that knowledge. I can wait 'till then.

I never changed my tune about anything I have said. Just because I say not going to war will change things does not mean that is what will happen. I still believe there will be no change either way, because of people's nature to fight. It is true that people will face judgment before God and He is not a fiction and does not deal in fiction, only reality. People will get a rude awakening on that day, because they violated the law in their disbelief (disobedience).

I only want to add that you cannot mix Administrative processes with "Judicial" procedure. And that's where people get screwed up. Using the Courts that the People Created is the most honorable thing that we can do. Use the Courts and take them out of the hands of those that have usurped their control from us. We await the outcome of your ongoing situations so that you can share the details of how you remained in honor.

I believe it is more honorable to settle and close the matter before it gets to court. That is what I am interested in, settlement and closure in the private.



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