How can I find help with completing the redemption process?

[Ice]

If you deal in fiction do facts matter? NO. Many people have had facts ignored and wrongly convicted. You may be the exception.



The point is that we ARE NOT dealing in FICTION. You miss the point. The point is to be Sovereign when in court. If you don't know how to do that then you haven't been listening.



This is not my attitude. It is others that have let this happen.



Then why avoid court? You "can't" go to court???



I am discussing the law not religion. God's word is the real law or did you not know this?



Duh! But that isn't what we are discussing. We are discussing what processes to use, which works and which don't.



I am not discussing your beliefs. I am talking about those that follow God's law and has nothing to do with "religion." God is not a religion, he is the creator and His law is supreme.



I use the term "religion" for lack of a more precise term. But call it what you will... it is still "religion" because it is based upon a "higher power". I want to stick to the "processes"... not WHY we do them. Just the FACTS of the process... where is the success?

All I am saying is that most people that go to court want to fight. You are the exception. The Scriptures say to make friends with you opponent on the way, as I quoted already. That means do not enter the court. It means settle all disputes before it gets out of hand, in the private. This is what God says not me. If you want to blame someone blame Him, as He is the author.



I am not the exception. Everyone of us is able to do this. It isn't a big secret. The court deals with FACTS. Your quote does not mean "do not enter court". When that quote was actually made there was a much harsher system the people had to deal with. Let us deal with today's system and not imagine it to be the barbaric system that was in place when that quote was made. Remember, THE PEOPLE created our Courts, therefore THE PEOPLE are the owners of the Court and Superior to the court. The court works FOR US. Learn how to make it work for you.



I never changed my tune about anything I have said. Just because I say not going to war will change things does not mean that is what will happen. I still believe there will be no change either way, because of people's nature to fight. It is true that people will face judgment before God and He is not a fiction and does not deal in fiction, only reality. People will get a rude awakening on that day, because they violated the law in their disbelief (disobedience).



But you did change up... re-read your post.



I believe it is more honorable to settle and close the matter before it gets to court. That is what I am interested in, settlement and closure in the private.



Okay, you can believe there is a private/public side to whatever you want. You can believe it to be "more honorable" to avoid Court, to not give Testimony to the Truth in Court and whatever else you want to believe... that is your right. But it will all boil down to using the proper procedure for the proper process. Once it gets to the point of "court" "judicial procedure" begins.



But you will not affect any change by avoiding the court room. You will not "make law" as others will. (Those of you that would care to expound on that, please do so). You will not foster "case precedent" so that others may have an advantage in court. There is a lot that you WON'T ACCOMPLISH for yourself or anyone else by avoiding court. The biggest thing you will NOT Accomplish is taking back our courts from those that have usurped them from us.



What you will accomplish is negative. Any FACT that you may use in whatever non-judicial process you will use with the Court will then become a "sign" and could become a hindrance to those that would use those FACTS and follow judicial process. In other words, people will be "labeled" and not taken seriously because of the similarities of certain FACTS used by "redemptors". You may just make the struggle that we face a bit more difficult.



I may not have said that very well... but I'm sure that folks can comprehend my stated concern.



And that brings a close to my part in this discussion. Now, everyone is clear on where I stand in these matters. So, if any seek assistance with "redemption processes"... then seek out those so-called "experts" (like the ones that lose in court and claim victory anyway). But, for any that will make use of the Law and are not in Fear of the Court but understand that the Court belongs to us... those I can, and will, assist.



I still insist that the only way to take back our courts is by APPEARING in the Court and using the Law. There are 3 Boxes between us and Tyranny... the first has failed, the second is failing... and the third is not desired.

[suijuris]

Originally Posted by Ice

I still insist that the only way to take back our courts is by APPEARING in the Court and using the Law. There are 3 Boxes between us and Tyranny... the first has failed, the second is failing... and the third is not desired.[/b][/color]

I agree... if one's goal is really to make a change, they must become educated, then take action.



The first box has failed because to few people are visiting the ballot box with an educated decision, or are to lazy to visit at all.



The second box is failing because not enough people are educated and ready to take appropriate action. For lack of a better description, they are hiding in the "private."



The third box is not desired. But should it come to that, it will make no difference if you are in the "public" or the "private" when confronted. Then, action is the only option; to "accept for value" a 90mm presentment to one's brain will most certainly cause your earthly accounts to be settled for good.



Now, I am for whatever brings one personal success, but in my opinion, a private success can not help effect a change to the judicial arena. Only using the Laws that are there to PROTECT US and LIMIT GOVERNMENT can achieve this. Failing to do so will only cause government to trample out our Rights and eventually our Life.



The choice is yours.

[iamfreeru2]

Ice and Suijuris,



Sorry I have not answered before now. Was not able to bring up the site for some reason. And then I was gone with the wife for awhile.



I understand where you guys are coming from. I was there for a lot of years. I believe the way I am doing things now is the right way. As I have said in the past I believe I have been called into this. As the years have gone by I have had to learn the hard way.



You need to ask yourself the question, who is in control? If God is in control and He owns everything, and He is and He does, then He has the right to tell us in His word how to do things. We are either obedient or disobedient. If God created everything then who knows more? Him or us? Who's law is greater the Constitution (Common Law)or God's law? Remember the Constitution (Common Law)is not perfect, but God's law is.



All I am saying is that I choose to follow the real law. I do not follow man's law. If people created the courts then they are flawed. Until the people start following God's law there will always be disputes (arguments). It has been this way since the beginning of creation. When we stop looking to ourselves and look to Him for guidence and direction then there will truly be a change for the better. He is the only answer for positive change. If you think you can effect change without devine guidence you are sadly mistaken. Acts 5:29 says" We must obey God rather than men." If you believe this verse then stopping looking to the courts for change and look to the only one that can effect true positive change. You see I believe He has the power, the ability to protect His children in any situation. Do you believe that. If you do then why do you need the courts of this world?



This country has been going down the drain now steadily. Why is this? Because we have pushed the Creator out of our lives and think we know what is best. The problem is we are failing at it. It is because we have a worthy adversary that is the ruler of this world. Keep thinking you can effect positive change without God's guidence and you will fail every time.



This is my last post on this thread. I will just say that I agree to disagree. I do not like having to say it like it is, but truth is truth. I will say that I will pray for you all.



In His service,

iamfreeru2

[redpilltaker]

Hey Guys,



Just wanted to chime in on this post...from the perspective of someone who is still learning a lot and hasn't really made any moves yet....



Jersee, Ice, and Sui,



I like your style and position...and I understand it...but, here is the ONE reason that redemption has my interest....



If the book of Revelation is true and is how the story ends, then I have been left wondering if it is even possible to reclaim the intent of this country's foundation....



With that said, I am still looking...comparing people's ideas, theories, and experiences with an open mind...but I will admit that if "we" already know the end of the story...then what the "redemptors" are doing/claiming makes sense from that perspective...presuming success...doesn't it?



As far as perpetuatting the problems within the system vs. fixing them...the sad fact of the matter is that it is the minority that will end up with the truth and eternal life...



Thoughts are welcome!



RPT

[Jerseee]

RPT,



That was the point I ws driving at. The minority will be redeemed and the masses will perish. What god of love and compassion would allow knowledge to kept from the masses and available to the "chosen" few? Especially when the fate of the souls rests on such knowledge.



iamfree,



In your last direct post to me--you ascert that no one is listening--yet I am. You contend your message has fallen on deaf ears--but you cannot prove it--since I am responding.



You are preaching and not teaching. When you preach--you will get questions that challenge thought. When you teach, the questions you get will be true questions indeed. Questions that aid another and lead to understanding and clarity.



If you want someone to beg you for answers--this is not a teacher/student relationship...that is more like master/slave relationship.



I have been reading and trying to find your message--but it is not clear to me. If you know that I am not on the same knowledge level as you are on--you have a duty, to assist me in comprehending--until I get to that plain of knowledge. If you evade my attempts then my only choice is that you are willfully keeping information from me or you are just rambling about nothing.



Faith in the creator and religion are 2 different things! I keep stating this and that message has fallen on deaf ears.



I refuse to accept religious beliefs as a pre-requisite to the truth. I belive in the creator and that there is a being greater than all. So if my redemption hinges on christianity, buddism, catholicism, islam, hinduism or even judism...I think I will pass on that knowledge.



The god like thing to do is to inform and bless no-matter what your religious affiliation may be.



iamfree, my goal is not to challenge your beliefs or your faith--this is foolish. I stated this before to you---I only want facts, truth, knowledge and understanding. This should cost me nothing. It should not cost me my eternal soul, my allegiance, my faith, my family, my god, my salvation, my redemtpion, my children---it should cost nothing to get the truth. I should cost something to practice it.



I am truly disappointed that potential valuable information is not being shared--rather religious recruitment is being offered. This takes away from the spirit of this site. No one can control anothers action. No one can guarantee another's salvation. If people are already wicked and use wicked things and not the truth--then there in wickedness shall they remain. Just because folks want to learn the hard way--that is their choice and freedom to do so. Keeping secrets and making them availabe to the chosen who accept christianity is more sinful than slavery.



My words may sound a little strong--but my passion is stronger. This is not meant to offend but to inform. I will not make a deal to accept any religious belief in lue of my redemption. Then if I do this I am in debt to that faction. I'd rather have fictional successes that help others freely, than to trade in my allegiance for private redemption and vindication and not be able to openly and to be straight forward in the assistance of another.



I don't care how many times I have to say the same thing over and over again--but until that person understands and starts learning and thinking for themselves--I will ensure that I have done my all to help them be somewhat free of the burden that plagues them. And all I ask in return is that they help the next person and post their success on this site for all to share in their victory.



And what did all of that hard work I put into a person cost them? It cost them nothing. SInce they are willing to put in the time to study and understand--they have already satisfied part of their quest for truth and knowledge. If you look throughout this site--I am constantly repeating myself. Yes, some folks do not want to surf the site--they need answers now. I hate to accomodate laziness but, they may be in need of answers quickly, so I do not haste in that--as I know how it is to be in need.



Give freely and expect nothing in return.

[iamfreeru2]

Jerseee,



Thank you again for your post. It is not my intent to be preaching. I only point out as RPT has put it that the courts will not change and there is nothing we can do to change them. He can change things where we cannot. Our only hope is the Lord and doing His will. Like RPT says there will be but a minority, not because of God, but because of man's disobedience. He has given us every opportunity to follow Him. If we do that He will direct us and we will truly be free. His word says: "You shall know the truth shall make you free." I will do my part and share with all here my sucesses and my failures as I have said previously. I do believe in Redemption as others do not. When I say I have shared and it falls on deaf ears I am not singling out any individual. I know you have been listening Jerseee. Thank you for your posts to me.



iamfreeru2

[Ice]

question:



If the people own the courts and the law is based on God's law... then why are the people not interested in taking back their courts and making damn sure that the law is based on God's law?



That is my point. The courts cannot change unless the owners of the court change them.



If Ice were to work only in the "private" then who would benefit other than Ice?? Answer: NO ONE. How would that be assisting my fellow man? How would that be leading this great land to the god fearing state that it began in?? How would that be promoting God's law??



As I said, when it gets to the point of court then "judicial procedure" must be used. There is no room for any other process -- except that any previously used process (the doc/affidavits) may be entered into the record as evidence/fact by one of the PARTIES. But Judicial Procedure must be used to accomplish that. If it isn't - THE COURT WON'T HEAR ANYTHING YOU SAY.



'Nuff said.

[iamfreeru2]

Ice,



I just got some very interesting information that I will share with you. There is a way to go into the court without actually entering as the defendant or plaintiff. That is something we should never do. One way to enter the court in honor is to appoint a fiduciary to represent the Trust (STRAWMAN). As a trustee of the trust you are authorized to appoint other trustees. This way you become a contoller of the trust, but not the owner opperator. If the fiduciary tries to back out of the appointment that is a dishonor. As the living flesh and blood man/woman you direct the fiduciary. I like the way this is setup although I do not know all the particulars yet. It is form Cyndie Beers and her husband and they live in Arizona. I have looked at some of the material and plan on using it in my situation. This will keep us in honor and we do not have to swear in or testify as the defendant. We will be there only as a third party intervener in the matter. All of our evidence will be brought in by the fiduciary. If the court wants to ask the defendant anything the Counsel for the plaintiff will be the fiduciary for the trust and the court will have to go to him for the answers.



The Letter Rogatory was sent, in the private as the flesh and blood man/woman (trustee), to the fiduciary to do the Independent Investigation and a request was made to change the record based on the evidence revealed in the investigation. It is a little more involved than this, but this is the general idea.



I will NEVER enter the court as the DEFENDANT.



iamfreeru2

[iamfreeru2]

Ice,

From Ice



If the people own the courts and the law is based on God's law... then why are the people not interested in taking back their courts and making damn sure that the law is based on God's law?

To specifically answer your question, does not God's law state ""Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it." Matthew 7:13, 14.



As Jerseee points out there are many different religions out there that all have different teachings. Are they all the truth? There is but one truth, not many. This is in line with God's word. People will follow false prophets. There will be many who claim to have the truth, but will be no more than wolves in sheeps clothing. Many will follow them See Matthew 7:15



Just as RPT quoted

As far as perpetuatting the problems within the system vs. fixing them...the sad fact of the matter is that it is the minority that will end up with the truth and eternal life...

I would love to be able to use the courts to effect positive change. The Lord knows what is going on. The Supreme Court itself upholds ungodly laws. Do you think that pleases the Father? Will he not do with them as He did with Pharaoh? Pharaoh kept hardening his heart and would not obey God, then God hardened Pharaohs heart. At that point it was too late for Pharaoh. Are we going to be like Pharaoh? Will he allow us to destroy ouselves for our disobedience. Hosea 4:6 says: "My people are destroyed fro lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being my priest. Since you have forgotten the lawof your God, I also will forget your children." Could this be one of the reasons we find ourselves in the situation we are in now in this place we call The united States of America.



God is a shield and protector for those that love Him and are willing to follow Him. For those that are ernestly seeking Him and His guidence He will lead to safety and freedom. Joshua 1: 8,9 says: "This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success." Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous! Do not tremble or be dismayed, for the LORD your God is with you wherever you go."



Another favorite verse of mine is: "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And do not lean on your own understnding. In all your ways acknowledge Him. And He will make your paths straight." Proverbs 3: 5,6.



When we start looking to the only one with the answers and stop trying do it in our own strength, then and only then we will get the answers we are looking for. Will this country be turned around? This I do not know, but if we do not change our ways it is a certainty we will destroy ourselves as God will let us do it. We live in a dying world; a world where God has been pushed asside and we worship idols rather than the one that deserves our worship and our praise.



I have said that I have been called into this. If I did not believe that I would not be doing it. I have lost a lot in this. It has been mostly do to my disobedience to the Father. I know that what I am doing now is from Him. Could I lose my home? That is a very distinct possibility. If I lose it so what! It is only perishing anyway. I can't take it when I die. God has provided everything I need in life. He is providing me the tools I need to have victory. I believe all the information I have is from Him and I have the law book to guide me. It is my desire that our country be restored to the great country it once was. Without Him that is an impossibility.



I said I would not post any more in this thread, but questions keep coming up that need to be answered. I am not a preacher and do not pretend or want to be. I do not have all the answers either, but I know the one that does. God is the answer and not going into an enemy court. Settlement and closure is what I seek and avoiding disputes. Life is much better in my humble opinion when we allow God full reign in our lives.



In the name of Jesus the Christ I bid you peace.



iamfreeru2

[Ice]

You own a car? Do you make use of it?



Why do you call that which you own your "enemy"??



Make use of what you own and make it be what you want it to be... and remain Sovereign while doing so.



I am sorry that I cannot assist you further... you will find your way along the road and may meet up with me at a future time. When you come to the close of a given situation and realize that a simple court procedure/process would have gained the desired result you will take a closer look at the courts you own... and may decide you need to do somethinig about the deplorable condition they have come to. If the PEOPLE are going to govern... then the PEOPLE should govern properly... and not allow others to govern for them. I ain't coming over to wash your car when I got my own that needs washed. But we both have an interest in the court. People not using the court or the law is the reason the "BAR" has taken control of it.