How can I find help with completing the redemption process?

I have learned that there are many ways to go about the preliminary “Strawman Redemption” process. But there are areas where I am not certain and need some guidance.



I have filed a UCC1 with the Sec. of State of Calif. and received the stamped copy back. I have attempted to record my Common Law Copyright Notice and Power of Attorney with the County Recorder, but was refused and given a ‘Notice of Unrecordable Document” which includes a Gov. code that states that if I try to file it again I am committing a misdemeanor with a $1000 fine, etc. or imprisonment.



I have read on SuiJuris that I may be able to record in outlying counties without trouble, but in Calif., counties are huge, soit's not totally practical to take a whole day to drive to another county, when I am risking failure and perhaps trouble.



I read about another tactic , which is serving these documents on the Secretary of State, which supposedly "requires" him to record the documents for me since legislation has colored my rights. I don’t know if it is true, can anyone comment on this?



I am about to publish my copyright notice in a general c irculation newspaper. I am hesitant to send out the initial Notice of Final Payment letters to the credit card banks because my Strawman Redemption Process is not complete yet.



Until I get to the point of using bonds to discharge debts, I probably don't need to open my TDA . Although I think I have all the documentation necessary to do it, I am not sure about this process, even though I have instructions.



So I need some help and if anyone will be kind enought to assist me in finding what kind of guidance is available, I would appreciate it greatly. Thanks.

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[Jerseee]

Onequest,



Welcome to the forum!!!



May I make a suggestion?



If you can't defend what you are doing---you should not do it.



Read this site, go through all the forums and read threads--learn what it is that we do here. UCC redemption is spoken of here but a very small population of this site practices it.



Our success comes from using the law that is on the books today and showing everyone how they can avail themselves of the same type of successes through the law.



There is some success (I heard) with UCC redemption matters--but (I've heard) that there are more problems than there are successes. Tremendous study is needed in that area.



Good luck and congratulations on your enlightenment

[Ice]

"I am hesitant to send out the initial Notice of Final Payment letters to the credit card banks because my Strawman Redemption Process is not complete yet."



Why would anyone think that they need this redemption process in order to make use of Public Policy?? Do you really think it is necessary to have a UCC FS filed in order to make use of HJR 192?? Think about it.





"Until I get to the point of using bonds to discharge debts, I probably don't need to open my TDA . Although I think I have all the documentation necessary to do it, I am not sure about this process, even though I have instructions. "



I still can't find anything about a TDA or UCC Trust Account or anything like that mentioned in HJR 192 and have not yet had my challenge answered. Please demonstrate WHERE in HJR 192 does it state that you must have this sort of account?

[iamfreeru2]

Ice,



I respect your opinions. You are correct that HJR 192 does not say anything about having an account. HJR 192 is also talking about public policy. As the flesh and blood man I do not need or want to be connected with public policy, as I am flesh and blood and do not need public policy to function. That is for the Debtor (Strawman) I do not go into the public venue (courts) to seek a remedy. In the private I use my exemption. You cannot use both sides of the fence. You are either public (Debtor Strawman fiction) or flesh and blood man/woman (real). There are many people that get remedy in Redemption and it is kept private where it should be. That is why Jack Smith's and Victoria Joy's meeting are Private and the public is not allowed.



Jerseee,



The reason you hear of problems is due to the fact that people do not know what they are doing in Redemption. There are some that are political prisoners. It is not that they are doing anything wrong, but are showing too many how to free themselves. I hear of many more losses that I do wins in the courts. Remember the courts deal in fiction and are equity (admiralty) in nature. Some win to keep the illusion alive. No one has ever been able to show me any different.



iamfreeru2

[iamfreeru2]

onequest,



There are no TDAs with redemption. That deals strictly with Bureau of Public debt. The reason you are not getting your Copyright recorded is because under Statute you cannot Copyright a name and that is why they are giving you a hard time even though it is under common law. California does not deal in Common Law and is difficult in most counties to file these types of docs. Sonoma County, where I used to live was one of the worst. Change it to a Trademark Notice and you will find it easier to record, as there are many people that trademark there names and is common practice.



iamfreeru2

[Ice]

iamfreeru2,



When anyone deals with Ice they are dealing with the Flesh and Blood Man at all times... regardless of how they spell the name (I can correct them when necessary).



I am tired of hearing "redemption" type processes bandied about. No thank you. I'll stick with the Law and keep on screwing "them".



Remember this - it is much more difficult for them to deal with the MAN than it is the STRAWMAN. And in my case they will always be dealing with the MAN.

[iamfreeru2]

Ice,



I am not interested in screwing people or the courts. That is a Dishonor. Honor is what is needed to get remedy. Scripture says: "Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, in order that your opponent may not deliver you to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison." (Matthew 5:25)



Redemption is Scripturally based and I will always follow God's law and not man's. One of the B attitudes is "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." (Matthew 5:9). "But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." (Matthew 5:44,45) It is always better to have Honor, because that is Honoring the Father. Fighting is the opposite of what is taught in the Scriptures. Since I am a follower of Christ I will do it His way. And that means not going into a court that is based on fiction.



There are no more common law courts. They are all based on equity (Admiralty). Upon proof of claim otherwise then I will enter the courts. You may say what you want, but there is no flesh and blood man as a defendant or plaintiff as far as the courts are concerned once you swear in. You may believe, and rightly so, that you are the flesh and blood man, but they (courts) will not.



You may call Redemption what you want. I believe Redemption is the only way for me. I am sorry you are tired of hearing about it, but that is all you will hear from me. I am not in this to argue with you or anyone else, but I will defend what I do.



iamfreeru2

[Jerseee]

iamfree,



No need to defend what you do. The purpose of this is site is so that you can do what you do without persecution. Now I am in agreement with you on honor and your way of life. Righteousness will not be condemned here--at least not by me.



However, where are your victories? Victories over this evil entity are the fruits of our labor. I know you should have one here soon as you were in the middle of a process but you should also share the fruits of your labor with others as this is the righteous thing to do. No fruit yet? Then the honorable thing to do would be to advocate your position on your process and not dispell a process that is getting folks the results they need.



I can speak on this because I was guilty of doing just what you are doing. Unitl I asked for forgiveness from wargames--I was in dishonor. Now when people stop going to jail or considered political prisoners and start getting results and remaining un-kidnapped and with their families then that to me is a victory.



Now this is in no way to make your method of redemption less or more than the next method. But the only true method--is the one that works and gets folks what they need.



Spiritually, you are on the path, but you will have to get your hands dirty sooner or later in their courts or until your victory in the court that you are in. But until then... to not encourage study in this area would be a diservice to oneself, since we are getting victories in their own ficitious courts.



Spiritual redemption and ficitional redemption can both be achieved--there is no need to abandon a sword (truth) that can slay evil over a shield (the spirit) that will protect you, when you can have both.

[suijuris]

Interesting thread.



I have a question for those of you promoting the stamping of presentments with "Accepted for Value" or "Refusal for cause UCC 3-501".



The question is this: If you sent a debtor an invoice for the unauthorized use of your trade-name and they returned your invoice marked in this manner and without payment, would your debtor be in default?



Just a question....

[Ice]

When I say “screw them” I mean: I win, they lose. Use the Law as the "Hammer" and "nail" them. If you don’t like to win… then don’t go to court. Note: AT LAW in the scriptural quote.



There is no “fight”. The court rules on the FACTS that are presented to it. If you A4V a Summons/Complaint instead of Answering it… then the court will rule a “Default” in the favor of the Plaintiff because you have “accepted” it and have not supplied an “Answer” denying any of the allegations. If you “Refuse for Cause” there will be a “Default” because there was no “Answer” denying any of the allegations. The court is not a place to “fight”… it is a place in which FACTS are submitted and determined to be such… and “judgment” is rendered upon those FACTS. I stand in a place of HONOR at all times. Any that have followed my posts from time past will note my references to honor/dishonor.



By my actions in court the judge will realize that he is dealing with a Sovereign “Flesh and Blood Man” and not a “person”. You may believe that the court will not “recognize” a Sovereign… but it will, it has and it will continue to do so. I have explained that by giving “oath” and stating your name “… correctly spelled in upper and lower case…” puts the court ON NOTICE that you ARE NOT the STRAWMAN, that you are not acting as or for the STRAWMAN. Also note that if the Judge is acting in “Administrative capacity” then he can be held “personally liable” for his actions. So if it is not a “common law” court then the judge is acting in “Administrative capacity” and not as a “judge”… and can be held personally liable for his actions. This should be considered a “plus”.



We cannot take back our Judicial System by avoiding court. Some talk and some take action. When I speak of affecting change…. I mean REAL CHANGE. There must be ACTION to affect this change.



If we do not behave as Sovereigns that are the Creators and Rulers of our government (Exec., Legis., and Judiciary) then we will not be treated as such. My advice is to learn the law, hold “them” accountable to the law and march right in there and remind them who the Boss really is.



It has not been demonstrated to me that any of the redemption processes actually work. I only hear of loss after loss and more problems because of those processes. ( I have made the challenge for anyone to produce the documented success of any redemption process and the challenge has gone unanswered ). The only REAL victories that I have seen have been based on LAW.