A tactic explained by Jerseee

[Jerseee]

Folks,

Time for a little education on how Jerseee operates.

I've been telling this forum since 2004 "to never argue". After much explaining of this concept and probably very little use of it--let me outline the typical scenario so that folks truly understand where I'm coming from:

Members, the way I word my letters ensures that the notes will not come back. For example, let's say you claim that I owe you 10.00--I do not argue with you. I respond by saying that if I allegedly owe you 10.00 please prove your claim. In the meantime here is a good faith payment of 10.00. If you cannot provide me with proof of this alleged debt, please return my good faith payment.

Now, you have a choice. Send me the proof and keep the 10.00 or send my 10.00 back if you cannot.

If you can prove it--you have your 10.00, case closed.

If you cannot prove it--you are invloved in fraud and are open to a lawsuit. If you cannot prove it and do not send my 10.00 back--then you are a thief and opened yourself up for a lawsuit.

If you send the 10.00 back then there was no debt from the beginning and you are invloved in fraud, extortion, and so forth.

By the way, the 10.00 I sent you was a CPN backed by law and signed by a notary and a sovereign (me).

Can you see the power in being in honor and using the laws, codes, and other remedies that are already on the books?

Folks, this is not that difficult. The only thing that makes this difficult is the fact that most folks lack faith in themselves and their studies.

Do your studies and research. Apply your knowledge and don't be afraid of illusions. Anticipate their move and stay 3 steps ahead of them.

have fun.

[Judge Roy Bean]

Originally Posted by Jerseee

Folks,

Time for a little education on how Jerseee operates.

Members, the way I word my letters ensures that the notes will not come back.

No, they'll probably be ignored. And the ramifications are predictable.

Originally Posted by Jerseee

For example, let's say you claim that I owe you 10.00--I do not argue with you. I respond by saying that if I allegedly owe you 10.00 please prove your claim. In the meantime here is a good faith payment of 10.00. If you cannot provide me with proof of this alleged debt, please return my good faith payment.

Now, you have a choice. Send me the proof and keep the 10.00 or send my 10.00 back if you cannot.

If you can prove it--you have your 10.00, case closed.

If you cannot prove it--you are invloved in fraud and are open to a lawsuit. If you cannot prove it and do not send my 10.00 back--then you are a thief and opened yourself up for a lawsuit.

If you send the 10.00 back then there was no debt from the beginning and you are invloved in fraud, extortion, and so forth.

By the way, the 10.00 I sent you was a CPN backed by law and signed by a notary and a sovereign (me).

Which is legally meaningless when they drag you into court.

Originally Posted by Jerseee

Can you see the power in being in honor and using the laws, codes, and other remedies that are already on the books?

Folks, this is not that difficult. The only thing that makes this difficult is the fact that most folks lack faith in themselves and their studies.

Do your studies and research. Apply your knowledge and don't be afraid of illusions. Anticipate their move and stay 3 steps ahead of them.

have fun.

It would only work unless the amount was in dispute. That's where arguments start and you have no power to simply ignore them. You can't unilaterally close a dispute no matter how sovereign you might like to say you are.

Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean

Which is legally meaningless when they drag you into court.

Ok,

Jerseee, tell the "judge" how many times you have been dragged into court for this tactic...

Henry Franklin

[Admin]

Judge,

Regarding your post, perhaps before you question or comment on someones strategies, you should consider perhaps there are factors you may not know about or even possibilities that range beyond your experiences. Your comments seem unmerited considering they are only your personal opinions and not backed up by any evidence. Believe it or not, there are people on this board who have success with tactics that some of you skeptics deem a waste of time. Rather than questioning blindly, I would consider the possibility that you don't have all the answers and who knows, you might even learn something.

Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean

No, they'll probably be ignored. And the ramifications are predictable.


Which is legally meaningless when they drag you into court.


It would only work unless the amount was in dispute. That's where arguments start and you have no power to simply ignore them. You can't unilaterally close a dispute no matter how sovereign you might like to say you are.

[David Merrill]

Actors have problems. That is to say the first chapter of any training textbook about acting covers problems. Solving a problem in acting means that you were able to maintain the illusion you, the actor, were actually experiencing the events in the scene. The easiest way to understand solving problems in acting is to turn off the volume for a few minutes. Watch how nobody ever really gestures and amplifies things like that in real life - or do they? Maybe in real life it is more difficult to turn off the volume (earplugs?).

Julia Roberts just flopped with her Broadway debut. The tabloids only showed a clip where she giggled out of character at somebody forgetting a line or whatever. But she is used to cameras where the blunder might entertain later as a blooper - not on Broadway. What is out there is out there. One of the stagehands accidently unplugged the refrigerator and so I got to choke down lumps from the carton while not missing a queue or line... What's out there in the audience cannot be taken back.

This is the lesson acquired by putting Skeptics, JRB, Shoonra, AndyK etc. on the Ignore List. It leaves me reading how you all behave toward them without knowing anything they said but what you Readers quote from their posts.

I have tried warning you all who these people are from their histories on Quatloos or whatever. But you are falling for their spin anyway. I can only surmise there is something about you all that wants to perpetuate the illusions. Jerseee has dispelled the abracadabra and in such a simple and matter-of-fact manner that the Dishonorable Judge Roy Bean was right on it.

Don't let these trolls get it over on you. Don't be hoodwinked by the Masonic/Crown conditioning and performance reviews of law librarian Shoonra. These people have an agenda - clear as crystal. Why forget that? What in the world does it serve you to forget that?


Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S. http://www.quatloos.com/Tax-Forums/p...profile&u=3009

[Satori]

Originally Posted by Judge Roy Bean

You can't unilaterally close a dispute no matter how sovereign you might like to say you are.

Judge Roy Bean, you seem to imply that Jerseee is not sovereign. Who, in your opinion, has sovereignty in this country?


- Satori

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by Satori

Judge Roy Bean, you seem to imply that Jerseee is not sovereign. Who, in your opinion, has sovereignty in this country?


- Satori

Logic answers for JRB. Since the IRS is the only party that can unilaterally settle a dispute, the IRS is the sovereign in this nation.

[hardtoremember]

I have not been posting much in the way of questions/comments due to the soon to follow irritating, non-factual, distraction that the thugs bring to this resource forum. However, one of the first things I learned about the "system" is exact what Jersee said... with a small twist... THERE IS NO ARGUMENT... but they will entice you until you do argue with them. While Thugs and their agents will try to get you to argue about THEIR system, you then acknowledge you ARE in their system. The few times I have been in the "courtroom" and they tried to get me to argue "the case", I simply asked them a few questions pertaining to WHY AM I HERE? WHO ARE YOU? WHY ARE YOU FORCING ME TO DO BUSINESS WITH YOU? (not those exact questions... but that is the generalized idea) I am not arguing, I accept for value all they send my way. If there is something they offer that I want, I will "buy" it the same as I do when I decide to do business with any other company like them or wal-mart for that matter.

No argument, No money. That is a FACT. If you argue with them, they get what they want... your energy, your time, your labor. Why would I try to convince a goat to lay an egg? Not going to happen. It has been proven on this forum and many others as well as many personal experiences of others that THEY cannot answer the questions, THEY are forcing you to do business with them, THEY will try to pull you into a distracting argument (not debate) completely off the original topic based on their opinion (because crime DOES pay). Put THEM on ignore... since the admin/moderators will not keep the clutter out of this forum.... you must take it upon yourselves to ignore their attempts (even when they entice with personal jabs, comments based on anything EXCEPT fact) to distract you. Stop debating them, stop trying to tell that goat to lay an egg... no matter how much FACT you place in front of those FEW that anger so MANY on this forum... they KNOWINGLY will still try to debate you.... stop... ignore them and watch how ANGRY they get. They are part of that company that you do not want to do business with... DONT DO BUSINESS WITH THEM, DONT GIVE THEM YOUR ENERGY. I challenge this entire board to completely ignore those few who have proven to only debate/argue for the sake of distracting you... nothing more... ignore them for 30 days solid... give them NOTHING... NO ENERGY.... they will go where others will give them the energy they need.

Just my opinion.....


over and out.

~HTR~

[mikah2k]

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Thank you guys. The shopping analogy works for me. Buying into someone’s opinion for the sake of argument is tedious at best and defeats the purpose of rational discussion. And I have to say that the ‘business’ of character assassination - killing the messenger via a scorched earth policy certainly leaves a lot to be desired.

So I will heed hardtoremember words: DONT DO BUSINESS WITH THEM, DONT GIVE THEM YOUR ENERGY. I challenge this entire board to completely ignore those few who have proven to only debate/argue for the sake of distracting you... nothing more... ignore them for 30 days solid... give them NOTHING... NO ENERGY....