Banks, Collectors, and CRAs Discuss the elimationa of secured and unsecured "debt", as well as tactics for dealing with debt collectors and credit reporting agencies.


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Old 10-27-2006, 09:57 AM
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swiftknight23:

"The Coming Battle," which you posted, is an excellent
example of how the international bankers have been in
this country's pockets since the beginning.

I used the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 as my starting
point because that is when the onslought became a direct
assault on the country, not just the currency. Your article
illuminates what led up to where we are. Thanks for posting
it.
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Old 10-27-2006, 11:08 AM
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In a discussion about the Banking Emergency Relief Act of 1933, this is from the Congressional record, by Patman, on 9 March 1933:"Under the new law the money is issued to the banks in return for government obligations, bills of exchange, drafts, notes, trade and banker's acceptances. The money will be worth 100 cents on the dollar, because it is backed by the credit of the Nation. It will represent a mortgage on all the homes and other property of all the people in the Nation."
Given that "full faith and credit" of the United States stands behind the FRnote, it is apparent that everyone in this country, and everyone's assets are chattel for the Fed.

When I recognized those truths about the mid 90s, I knew we already had a LETS system of money but were not told the truth nor were we being properly credited as the originators and source of the value embedded into the paper money symbols. This question is the seigniorage question and was very well extracted and presented earlier (in this or perhaps the United States notes thread) anyway - whoever did the extraction from Auriti's thesis did an excellent job.

The Wright Patman PRIMER ON MONEY is found as a pdf image format (about 2.2 megabyte, 140 pages) reprint here: http://www.devvy.com/pdf/2006_Octobe...r_on_Money.pdf along with another book on paper money history. Courtesy of Larry Becraft.
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In 1833, William M. Gouge, who opposed the 2nd Bank of the United States along with President Andrew Jackson, wrote an excellent book, A Short History of Paper-Money and Banking in the United States. It is now posted as a sizeable PDF on Devvy’s website:

http://www.devvy.com/pdf/2006_Octobe...PaperMoney.pdf

I am looking forward to your proposals toward workable solutions MN. von Chicago.
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Old 10-27-2006, 12:09 PM
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Quote from Levi Philos:

I am looking forward to your proposals toward workable solutions

No, no, no. I do not pretend to have any workable solutions.

As was stated at the end of swiftknight23's posted article,
getting rid of the national bank, which I referred to earlier
as getting rid of the Fed, is the only solution.

This was his referenced article:

The problem started prior to the inception of the FR. The best
documentation I have found so far is located at
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/comingbattle/cbchap14.htm



It is painfully apparent from reading any article like this
that the solution, as noted, will have to come from us.
It certainly will never come from government.

How will that occur?

The only way I know is through exposure, getting people
to wake up and do something about it.

Naive?

Sadly, yes.

But to do nothing is unacceptable.

I am personally doing what I can as me, and I posted this
thread to get the information out as a reminder for anyone
else who may want to do something.

This is not to say I am gettng "the information out" as
though it is new. No, just as a reminder that if we do not
put a priority on the source of the problem, eventually,
nothing else will matter. We may all face being characters
of Big Brother, without recourse.
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Old 10-27-2006, 01:37 PM
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Regarding the Walbart book THE COMING BATTLE, just to be perfectly clear, I am the fellow who took the chapters and did the best I could to correct mispellings and OCR typos and place the entire thing into a single html format and put it in the ALD files.

There is a better version on the net somewhere; I saw it about a month ago but failed to bookmark it. Went through about five pages of google looking several days ago without locating it. Everybody has the flawed version.

Not really important anyway, because other than more or less making the point that silver makes better money than gold, this book really does not provide any permanent solution either.

You are quite correct MN, that the solution will come from the people; the leaders will run to the front and pretend they invented it when the solution becomes obvious.

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Old 10-29-2006, 08:58 AM
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Two e-books on Devvy Kidd website

Anybody up for OCR'ing either of these? Please contact me if you are; especially the Gouge file. (at the moment, I already have two volunteers, but it could be split into smaller segments) Image files saved into pdf format:

In 1964, Congressman Wright Patman’s Banking & Currency Committee published an excellent report entitled Primer on Money. This fantastic work is now posted as a PDF image (size: 2230 KB) on Devvy’s website:

http://www.devvy.com/pdf/2006_Octobe...r_on_Money.pdf

In 1833, William M. Gouge, who opposed the 2nd Bank of the United States along with President Andrew Jackson, wrote an excellent book, A Short History of Paper-Money and Banking in the United States. It is now posted as a sizeable PDF (1.4megabyte) on Devvy’s website:

http://www.devvy.com/pdf/2006_Octobe...PaperMoney.pdf

One correspondent reported difficulty downloading; if you have that problem, try again at some odd time of day like 3 am in the morning. Probably just too many hits.

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Old 11-01-2006, 09:08 AM
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"Credit" as money; link to Pres. Jackson material

Conceptually, credit is a derivative of the base money.

The proper role of the credit industry is as a co-signer to the notes; thus guaranteeing payment: "If the signor doesn't pay, we will take the collateral, and pay in his place."

Credit as money is the brain child of communists. The same people who are responsible for the fifth plank of the communist manifesto and the advancement of so******tic precepts all have the same initial mindset that begins with a basic failure of respect for private ownership of property. (Perhaps they should read some Bastiat)

http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/s...364#post403364

See also my post on today's "Flippers in trouble" thread started by Market Neutral. http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/s...347#post403347

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Old 11-02-2006, 07:30 AM
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Gouge Report to President Jackson 1833

William Gouge submitted this report to President Andrew Jackson in 1833.

It is not clear whether Jackson uttered his famous quote: "You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out." after seeing this report or perhaps before.

The conclusions you draw from reading this 63 page document will depend somewhat on your prior mindset and opinions.

Seems well researched and accurate.

The size of the document is 403.5 Kb. I tried converting it to PDF, but so many bookmarks were creating and so much hidden data included that the PDF version was over a megabyte. So, do the bookmarks yourself - or whatever.

The link is presently http://www.suijuris.net/forum/downlo...do=file&id=281 but administration of this site need to approve the file before you will be able to download. It is in the banking and currency folder: http://www.suijuris.net/forum/downloads.php?do=cat&id=5

FYI from Levi Philos
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Old 11-03-2006, 08:20 AM
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Online Database of Complementary Currencies Worldwide

Online Database of Complementary Currencies Worldwide

Summary of all Reports: http://www.complementarycurrency.org...ort&specId=218

General Catalog: http://www.complementarycurrency.org...ort&specId=167

Library - Sorted by Author - 20 items per page - 9 pages => about 180 authors:
http://www.complementarycurrency.org...ort&specId=227

World Map of Complementary Currencies: http://www.complementarycurrency.org...s/worldmap.php

Image Gallery: http://www.complementarycurrency.org/gallery.php

The William Gouge 1833 report to President Andrew "Stonewall" Jackson: http://www.complementarycurrency.org...eport_1833.htm

The edit change next posted 11-03-06 is now invalid, further info after

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Error found in chart one third of the way down the page. -In the chart of bank names, with the date they were started and initial capitalization, at the very start of the left column the name appears thus:

Bank of
North
America, Pa


The word "North" could be changed to "N." so that the entire column shifts upward and properly aligns the bank names with the date and initial capitalization. Webmaster has been notified, so if you are reading this later, this error may be corrected. Date of this post: Nov 03 2006

The error has been corrected and the entire html file changed from the rtf format to again reflect accurately upon the orginal image file found on Devvy Kidd's site.

last edit Nov 14 -06

Last edited by Levi Philos : 11-19-2006 at 09:40 AM.
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Old 11-03-2006, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Levi Philos

Credit as money is the brain child of communists. The same people who are responsible for the fifth plank of the communist manifesto and the advancement of so******tic precepts all have the same initial mindset that begins with a basic failure of respect for private ownership of property. (Perhaps they should read some Bastiat)

YES!!! When a huge international bank "loans" you credit instead of actual pre-existing hard currency (creates "money" out of nothing but a bookkeeping entry and/or electronic entry), and then expects you to pay it back with your labor and your pre-existing assets and resources, plus interest, they absolutely have no respect for private property. Right on, Levi.

When you see those ads on TV trying to convince people to borrow against their real property in order to pay off credit card debt, (i.e. Ditech.com) they are hoping that you are so upside-down in credit card debt that you will willingly replace unsecured credit card debt with collateralized debt - making them able to waltz right in and claim your home and land when you can't make the payments any more.

Live without credit card debt - don't walk into the trap.
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Old 11-03-2006, 11:44 AM
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[b]YES!!!

When you see those ads on TV trying to convince people to borrow against their real property in order to pay off credit card debt, (i.e. Ditech.com) they are hoping that you are so upside-down in credit card debt that you will willingly replace unsecured credit card debt with collateralized debt - making them able to waltz right in and claim your home and land when you can't make the payments any more.


Man what a racket, thats a good post there!

They are playing the sheeple like the red violin.
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