Banks, Collectors, and CRAs Discuss the elimationa of secured and unsecured "debt", as well as tactics for dealing with debt collectors and credit reporting agencies.


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Old 09-17-2006, 08:10 PM
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Still interested in asserting your right to travel?

Or would you rather assert your right to exist?

It is because of the money control issue that there is a
"right to travel" issue. The right to travel/drive is but a
mere symptom in the bigger picture.

If I were the government, and it seemed people were upset
about having a privilege to travel instead of a right, I
would say, "Here! No more driver's license required."

So I throw you a bone. You're happy and excited over your
victory and new-found freedom.

I've got you in a stranglehold, and you are grateful that
I loosened the noose by a milimeter.

Your're happy.

As the government, I'm happy.

You are still a fool and my slave.

Feel better?

Break the confidence in the bankers, and not only do you
get you right to travel returned, you get ALL your rights
back!

Follow the money...
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Old 09-17-2006, 08:35 PM
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Let's go back to another comment that when a country
has specie-backed currency (gold, silver, copper), it
prospers, the economy flourishes, people all have money,
(real dollars), no debt, and they are independent.

Bankers hate gold and silver. They have no control.

They had to get rid of gold and silver, and they did. They
started with a few very wealthy and influential people
to pull some strings, get some legislation passed. In the
process, those willing to comply will be rewarded with
money and power. What polititian would pass on that?

History proves, none did.

Bankers say, let's create a Central bank to "regulate the
flow of money," and keep the banking system "sound."

A few secret meetings are held.

"By the way, Mr Politician, how much money do you need
for re-election?"

"How much did you say?"

"Well, here's that, and more!"

Take that scenario and mulitply by as many politicians
as you may need.

"I have an idea," said the banker. "Let's call it the
Federal Reserve Bank! That'll fool the people. We will
tell them that us bankers will make sure everything runs
smoothly."

The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was created.

"Now, politicians, as the bankers for the Federal Reserve,
we will loan you all the money you need to run the country.
'Money' is not a problem."

"And by the way, we will charge you 6% interest on what
we loan you. And when you pay us back, pay us back
only in gold and silver, not those Notes we issue!"

Later, in chambers, one politician asks the others, "Why
don't we just print and issue US Notes from our own
Treasury. We won't have to pay interest, we won't have
to repay in gold and silver, and we won't go into debt?"

(Guess which politician was not invited to the secret meeting?)

"No, no, no." the others responded. "We need to spend
our time running the country, raising revenue. Let the
bankers controll the money. It's no big deal."

To which the first politician said back, "But isn't that our
job ,too? Article 1, section 8, clauase 5 of the Constitution
says so."

"Tut, tut, tut. Don't worry about it." they insisted.



With the passing of the Federal REserve ACt of 1913,
our country was no longer a representative Republic...
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Old 09-17-2006, 08:42 PM
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The bankers embarked upon a plan. Actually, they had
many, and all their plans would take money and property
out of our pockets and into theirs.

"I have an idea!" said a banker. "Let's loan all the money
farmers need to buy land and plant crops."

The bankers decided to expand the money supply.

"Need money, Mr Farmer? Sign right here on the dotted
line."

Years later, the bankers decided to make money more expensive,
so they contracted the money supply. Most all the
farmers could no longer repay their loans.

A lot of farmers lost their property to foreclosure. The
bankers bought it all at distressed prices. The first
transfer of wealth had occurred.

The banker's plan was working well...
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Old 09-17-2006, 08:51 PM
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Very well put.

Most of it I know already, a couple of things I did not know, and now do; thank you for that clarification.

Very well put indeed, in my opinion, and most edifying to read.

Thank you very much for writing this.

That is an awful lot of thought, and craft of expression in writing, and time expended in doing the work of putting all that into words.

It is good exercise to view what one already knows from the perspective of another, as it broadens one's own perspective, and brings to light additions to one's own knowledge, clarification of what might have been out of focus, and other benefits.

Thank you again, I know and greatly appreciate the effort it takes to produce such a fine piece of work!
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Old 09-17-2006, 08:54 PM
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After the war, the country was going well, the stock market
was rallying.

"I have an idea!" said a banker. "Let's all buy as much
stock as we can. It looks like this market is in for a huge
move up."

The bankers expanded the money supply, making lots of
loans, lowering the margin rates to buy stocks.

The Roaring Twenties were created.

Towards the end of the decade, the bankers met again
and saw prices had skyrocketed in the stock market.
The public was buying as much as they could afford and
borrow.

"I have an idea." said a banker. "We've all done well. Let's
sell all our stock, and then we'll raise interest rates and
contract the money supply. Time to cash in!"

The bankers raised interest rates. People stopped buying
like crazy. Prices began to fall. Margin calls were
being made. Share prices were lower than what many had
paid, and now their loans were being called in. They were
being forced to sell.

Black Monday, October 1929.

The stock market crash was created.

As a bonus for the bankers, the Depression was created.

The bankers did very, very well.

We the people, we didn't do so well.

The bankers were finished, yet...
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Old 09-17-2006, 09:09 PM
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One day, the bankers said to President Roosevelt,
"Listen, Buddy." When the bankers were in control, they
called others "Buddy." It didn't matter who they were.
Others had to do what the bankers wanted.

"Listen, Buddy...we want the rest of your gold and silver.
You owe us all this money and you have fallen behind in
your payments."

"What to do?" thought FDR.

Aha! HJR-192!

"Public! I hereby declare that the ownership of gold is
forbidden. Turn it all in or face a $10,000 fine. You
will receive gold certificates in return."

"Okay." said all the sheeple. "We love our country, and
we want to be good citizens and do what is best."

When all the gold was totaled, the bankers said to FDR,
"Not enough! We are going to foreclose on the country.
Shut the system down so we can put our plan into work."

The Bank Holiday was created.

"By the way, Buddy," (We all know who Buddy is). You
know that Trading with the Enemy Act passed in 1917?
You need to change it. Now that we are in control and
own the country, anyone who is not a banker, one of us,
is the enemy. That means all the people in the country
are now our enemy."

The Act was amended to read the we citizens were also
included as enemies of the Country.

Slowly but surely, the bankers took all the US Notes out
of circulation and destroyed them.

The bankers had a plan.

They were not done, yet.

More, later
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Old 09-17-2006, 11:52 PM
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Of course, none of these stories are true.

"I have an idea." said a banker. "We aren't taxing all the
people enough. We should be making more money off of
them. I created another taxing scheme. Only this time,
instead of getting our tax after all deductions, let's take
it out up front, whether there are any profits or not."

"Great idea!" said another, "But how will we sell it to the
sheeple?"

"Get this." said the first banker with the idea. "Let's create
a retirement system, and we'll call it Social Security!
A promise of a pot of gold at the end of retirement.
By the time they retire, inflation will have eaten up all
the value of their savings, but we'll have already made
ours."

The bankers all had a good laugh.

"Wait! Wait!" he continued. "In addition to taxing the
people, we'll have the employers match their contribution.
We'll get twice as much tax!"

Social Security was created.
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Old 09-17-2006, 11:58 PM
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Now that all the gold was gone from the public, now that
all the farmers lost their farms, and much of the public lost
their shirts in the stock market, the country stopped
prospering like it used to when gold and silver backed the
dollar, and the dollar was a dollar. The people were
becoming more and more dependent on the government,
just like the bankers planned. So******m at its best.

"You know," said the banker, "Why make our FRNs legal
tender for all debts both public and private? Why should
we be responsible for the public's poor choices? Let's
just call it 'legal tender' for now.

New FRNs were created.
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:10 AM
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Years passed.

"Did you hear that President Kenndy is going to issue
$43 billion in silver-backed United States Notes, by-passing
us and cutting us out?!" said the alarmed bankers.

Bang!

"Uh, President Johnson, there's a little issue about some
silly Notes that Kennedy wanted to put into circulation.
Let's just destroy them."

"By the way, Buddy." (Therre are lots of Buddys in our
government, and the bankers own them all). "Let's have
the media, which we also own from the loans they owe
us. Let's have them report on a silver shortage, and let's
call in all those silver certificates floating around out there.
It is really a nuisance having to redeem them."

A silver shortage was created in the media.

The last redeemable Notes disappeared.

"Memo to ourselves," wrote the bankers, "Let's make all
FRNs irredeemable. Screw the public. They don't know
any better."

Fiat money was created.




It took God six days. He rested on the seventh.

It took the bankers several decades.

They never rested.
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:23 AM
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Those bankers are pretty clever.

"You know," said the bankers, "Controlling the sheeple has
been a piece of cake, but the States have their own rules,
and they are not beholding to the federal government."

"I have an idea!" said a banker. Someone always had
and idea. And when they did, it always cost us a bundle.

"I have another idea on how to get the States hooked on
borrowing money from us. They can always use newer
and better roads. Let's offer to pay half of their costs
for building new roads, or improving public facilities, etc."

Matching Funds were created.

From the State's perspective, it seemed like a good deal:
Free Money!

From the banker's perspective, all they did was run the
printing presses a little longer. What's money to them!

What did the States do? They began borrowing more
than they would otherwise spend, just to get the 50%
in matching funds. Now they had to hire more employees,
more police, more inspectors, to keep pace with all their
new growth.

What grew the most was the debt they now owed to the
bankers. All of a sudden, revenues were not keeping up
with their increased spending sprees.

"Hey Buddy!" The States were not used to being called
Buddy.

"Tell you what. We'll start providing more funds to help
you pay for your increased expenses. Of course, it's
going to cost you something, but at least you will be
able to pay your bills."

Revenue sharing was created...
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