Follow The Money

[Levi Philos]

A money system is an imaginative social construct that allows humans to exchange real things by proxy. As such, it is an extension of language by means of symbols and contracts and any lie in commerce is essentially an act of counterfeiting. The usage of gold and silver in monetary affairs of commerce is essentially anti-counterfeiting (lie stopping) technology.

Gresham's law is like many such observations really an acknowledgment of a rule of nature and how people react to the rule of the underlying hard physical law. Gold and silver are found in nature and used in manufacturing in different quantities at different times; thus you cannot permanently assign any fixed value ratio by naming a quantity of one equal in value to a quantity of the other. This is what Robert Mundell's exposition is about. The belief in the 1800s that a quantity of silver perhaps 15.5 times a quantity of gold is of equal value and both may be named "dollar" is simple ignorance of understanding of this underlying law of nature.

Another law of nature is that in the natural world there are hosts and there are parasites. Should the parasites become too numerous, the host will die unless the host is able to cast off the parasites or to lower numbers to a tolerable level. I see in the world of commerce, many many parasites measuring and counting and manipulating numbers so as to gain some kind of feeding advantage over other parasites. Meanwhile the host is staggering under the load of non-productive consumers. Natural law trumps man's written law every time and this situation will be altered by one means or another.

I challenge any reader to think about how natural law interfaces with any and all presumptions about money systems and to draw your own conclusions and then write about your conclusions.

Levi Philos, who no longer believes in the unbelievable.

[EC1]

Important Thread and Discussion of the Highest Value

US...Me And You...The Hosts...Are That Value!

The Parasites create NOTHING...The Hosts create EVERYTHING.

Everything of the Hosts is currently in a vacuum of the Parasites that we must aid in the natural shut down, by direct action.


Meanwhile the host is staggering under the load of non-productive consumers.

The Government is THE "non-productive consumer" owned by the THE parasite, the federal reserve.

The Government creates NOTHING...We, the working people, create EVERYTHING.

We ARE the commerce!

We, by personal decision and action, can stop the vacuum of theft of our time, our lives, our very souls.

I, personally, have a bit of advantage as a builder and tradesman and have been living and working out of and away from the vacuum's realm for years. Anyone can do it creatively with what they directly create. De-centralized... right in front of You.

As the creativity and action of the Hosts increases...The energy of the Parasites decreases and dies.

Natural Law enhanced by creation.

Barter amongst Yourselves...it is going on...it needs to go on and on.

Action Informs !

Action Begets More Solution !

We can and will become our own commerce, naturally.

[Levi Philos]

Dr. Dieter Braun of München, Germany http://www.dieterb.de/ and Robert Fischer of Romanshorn, Switzerland collaborated on a paper titled: BOOKKEEPING MECHANICS http://www.bookkeepingmechanics.com/ that uses Feynman graphs and other tools from nuclear physics to show how money movements can be compared to energy transfers in nuclear science.

Ten papers in English; four in German http://www.bookkeepingmechanics.com

[Levi Philos]

Thread titled: Better than Austrian Economics?
found here; specific commentary:
http://www.goldismoney.info/forums/s...410#post394410

[mnchicago]

Tuesday 24 October 2006

The whole point of this thread is to literally follow the
money, in THIS country, as it pertains tothe bait and
switch of the federal reserve system.

I could care less about some esoteric attempt to define
money as a bond or a contract. The Fed has not made
any such deal. The Fed, as an insturment of international
bankers, has been used to usurp this Constitutional Republic,
and has become the de facto invisible government.

To deflect this thread into other arenas that do not pertain
to what the fed has done, how people are ignorant of
the entire situation, how this country is just about done,
is the only issue that matters here.

The dollar is defined in the Coinage Act of 1792. No other
definition matters! The dollar has been specifically
defined as the money of account for the United States,
and even more specifically, as so many grams of pure
silver.

There is no other money of account in this country.
FRnotes are not money of account in the United States.

What is so difficult to grasp about this simple FACT?!

The DOLLAR is the MONEY of account in this country,
NOT an imagined exchange, NOT a definition from Boviers
Dictionary, NOT a federal reserve note, NOT a check.

What I take away from reactions in this thread is that
however ineptly I may have made a case for the fed
conducting massive fraud and abrogating the entire
wealth of this country, people only care about their own
interpretation of what money is, what foreigners have
written definitve articles about something totally unrelated
to this post means, what bartering could mean between
an electician and a plumber, et al.

Folks, your opinions are no better or worse than mine.
I have no franchise on understanding what has gone on
in this country since 23 December 1913, when the
Federal Reserve Act was passed, but I do have a focus.

The ONLY solution, emphasis on ONLY, is to get rid of the
federal reserve. Period.

To advocate getting rid of the federal reserve without
giving substantiation as to why, as to how that private
banking corporation has been used to turn this Republic
into a hollow shell, by gutting the Constitution, etc, would
be just another rant at the status quo.

No. This is not what my endeavor has been here.

That is why my posts are directed strictly to what a dollar
means in THIS country, and how the fed has pulled a bait
and switch that few understand or care enough about
to do anything.

Everyone gave the Emporer his due until the little boy
pointed out the obvious, that he wasn't wearing any
clothes.

Everyone was afraid of the Wizard of Oz, until the Wizard
was exposed as a fraud.

Everyone does the bidding of the fed. The fed needs to
be exposed. The FACTS need do be clearly understood.
The FRAUD needs to be exposed.

To do this, we have to know what the FACTS are, what
the FRAUD is.

Maybe I am the one with my head up my rear, and if that
be the case, even within those confines, I remain focused.

[swiftknight23]

The problem started prior to the inception of the FR. The best documentation I have found so far is located at http://www.mega.nu/ampp/comingbattle/cbchap14.htm

This document, referenced above, shows where the banking system started exchanging notes as opposed to money, and how they were able to suck congress into the agreement to go along with their plan.

A good read, seems authoritative, and loaded with apparent facts.

[idknow]

Originally Posted by mnchicago

idknow:

I never suggested that anyone on this site did not know
any of what has been posted here. Many may know much
more. The purpose was to provoke thought and action.
The "stories" were purposefully used to avoid having to be
dead-on accurate or have someone quibble over whether
a presidential proclamation was law or not. The whole
point is to understand that this money "issue" is the key
to most every "problem" posted on this site.

To wit:

Sovereign rights
Right to travel
No access to common law courts
Engrafted contracts
etc, etc, etc

Get rid of the bankers, and we are in a much better position
to get back to being the Republic we have allowed the
bankers to usurp.

If your need to be right is more important, have at it.

Just my POV.

MNChicago, No and of course, no one suggested, least me
that you were degreeing anyone's knowledge.

I was just repsonding and answering with what thought you had provoked.

[dawgwise]

The GREAT USURY

After proving that money is, simultaneously, a measure of value and the value of the measure, it is unquestionably true that the monetary mass constitutes a mirror-like duplicate of the value of real goods, measured or measurable in terms of their value. This duplicate value can have the positive sign of an asset (and in this case, it doubles the people's wealth), or the negative sign of a debt (in which case it creates a desperate and agonising situation because of inevitable insolvency).

When money was made from gold, the bearer was also the owner. Since the advent of "nominal money", he has without realising it become a debtor. All "nominal money" is issued by the banks in the form of loans. Thus, all money in circulation is burdened with debt to the central banks. Therefore, if someone wants to pay off a debt of money with money, it would be the same as paying a debt with another debt. IT CANNOT BE DONE. In the long run, he is forced to pay with his own capital and with the produce of his labour.

With the discovery of induced value as a legal value, it is not only proven that money must be considered as the property of the national community, but, also that currently the central bank, by loaning out what is in fact due, imposes a cost of 200% on money, at the act of issue: the initial 100%, because it expropriates the community of the induced value (only an owner can lend money), and a further 100% by forcing the national community into debt to the same extent.

Furthermore, it is also evident that banks and other credit institutions "create" money in a surreptitious way. Applying the principle of so-called credit multiplication, they lend money in an increased proportion to the sums which have been deposited with them. For example, they lend 100% with a 20% monetary liquidity reserve. All this can be done because a great part of the lent money is deposited in a bank, again, so that a reserve of 20% is usually sufficient to satisfy a request for money. Hence, it is evident that a bank can lend money which it does not have to an amount of 80% of the loan. Consequently, this difference of 80% is, in fact, induced value (not credit value), which should be represented by legal-tender, paper money, not by instruments of credit. Properly considered, its ownership should be attributed to the community (not to the banks), who could then deposit it in a bank as creditors and not as debtors.

This principle of credit multiplication expropriates the people and causes debts to the extent of the induced value as explained above, thus it results in "debt multiplication", which was a consequence and a corollary of the scheme developed by Paterson in 1694 for the Bank of England, founded with the aim of making loans using the "notes of the bank" (i.e. bills of exchange) in place of money (gold). These bank-notes were "nominal money" and also "debt-money".

As a result of these practices, the people of the world have been dispossessed of their own money, forced into debt, without receiving anything in return.

By Prof. Giacinto Auriti

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/ProfAuriti.htm

[mrg]

MN:

I did not intend my posting of Bouvier's, Ballentines, or Am. Jur. to be construed as money itself.

I can agree withyour statement(s) regarding what is the actual money of account.

I had hoped posting from these sources would enhance what you are showing.

Apologies if it only served to muddy the water, and I see your point as to how it might, after reading your post # 85, and then re-reading the definitions I posted.

The money issue is more than likely, if not for certain, the root.

Most, if not all, of your postings are, in my opinion, well thought, and well spoken, accurate, and worth serious consideration.

Again, as I have said before, thanks for posting here, I understand the work involved in presenting the quality of posts you produce.

[idknow]

Ok, so in this here thread we're discussing money, USN's and FRN's,
Gold and Silver.

I went out for a walk today and here's what I developed:

Enjoy and of course your comments, flames, suggestions and corrections are REQUIRED!


the federal Constitution says that "money is gold and silver."

There has never been any constitutional amendment offered to we the People
to change that definition ``money is gold and silver.''

HJR-192 of 1933 June 3 (http://www.worldNewsStand.net/history/192.htm)

now wait a second, dont read that url above just yet:

Every reader of Law MUST ***MUST*** know how legislators (meaning the lawyers) and
BAR members behind and in front of the bar/bank/bench interpret the law BEFORE
we the People can even BEGIN to comprehend what we are reading.

1. Congress and Legislatures can ONLY legislate and governors and presidents can ONLY
rightly sign bills into law that have as their subject ONLY what is owned or employed
by the government!!!

!!!

2. ALL ELSE is Law of Contract.

So, first we MUST ascertain to whom is HJR192 is written to.

Give the point #1 above, the answer is easy: the answer is part of the point.

but wait a second, according to the rest of Title 1 regarding bills, there is NO
enacting clause! HJR-192 *is* and can only be read exactly as a resolution. It has
no authority of Law, it confers no rights, authorities, permissions or duties;

a joint resolution of both houses is just an agreement to make a certain statement.

that's all it is.

---

* Money is gold and silver
* no constitutional amendment
* HJR-192 is not law
* a second resolution cancels or limits HJR-192 but i dont know the cite
* Gold removed from *PRIVATE* circulation and ownership of private citizens illegally
* Silver removed from circulation
* UNITED STATES NOTES removed from circulation

--

Has anyone noticed that the Treasury Dept is selling new gold coins for profit?

Recently here on the Forum, bank matters has ben discussed, negotiation, exchange, etc;

according to the law, we should be able to demand gold and silver from someone, a bank,
the government...

i realise this isnt really that well developed, i forgot to take notes