Banks, Collectors, and CRAs Discuss the elimationa of secured and unsecured "debt", as well as tactics for dealing with debt collectors and credit reporting agencies.


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Old 09-17-2006, 11:21 AM
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Ain't that the way many get caught, by leaving a money
trail? Forget the yellow brick road, follow the money road.
It is the only way to upend the plans of the One
World Order ilk, not that I am confident that the public
would have the resolve to do so. One thing is for sure,
we are running out of time.

"I am one person that cannot do everything, but I
recognize that I can do something, or at least anything
that I am willing to work diligently for."


I have been thinking aqbout writing a thread on money
and its importance to us all. I do not feel prepared nor
am I qualified, but it is one of the most crucial issues
with which we can deal and effect change.

The following is a re-post from David Merrill's thread on
FRN experiences. I do not want to hijcak his thread with
my own issues/concerns.

Friday 15 September 2006

It seems like the point and/or effort is being misconstrued
here. What difference does this "exercise" make in defining
a FRN as a "security?"

The Informer read may seem interesting, but does it really
say anything other than to allude to a few "what ifs" about
"securities" and their possible link making one a "taxpayer?"

Does any of this sound feasible/workable? Why deal with
symptoms? We all knnow the expression, "Show me the money!"

I posted about it the other day in the Taxation thread.

Rather than dissect sections and subsections of codes,
point to serial numbers representing securities, etc,
call a spade a spade, or more appropriately, call a dollar
a dollar.

Get back to the basics...keep it simple.

The Coinage Act of 1792:
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/coinage1792.txt

It specified what quantity of gold and what quantity of silver
as money should be a "dollar" quantity. Since only the
money of account shall be expressed in dollar units, it is
gold and silver coin that was the stipulated money of
account...not paper!

FRNs are paper.

The US currency is established as coin or stamped metal
gold or silver coins, and this has not changed since 1792!
What has changed is that the coins have been removed
from circulation!

It is the "three dollar monty," a ploy pulled off by the
international bankers: issue Fed Reserve gold and silver
certificates. Circulate them alongside US Notes. Then
outlaw gold in 1933; create a silver "shortage" through
the media and elliminate silver certificates. Withdraw
and destroy all US redeemable Notes so that only Fed
Reserve Notes remain. Then make those unredeemable
"legal tender."

This took decades to do, but the public has accepted them.

Remember my story about putting a frog in boiling water.
It would jump out immediately from the shock of the hot
water. Place a frog in a pot of tepid water, and gradually
turn up the heat. The frog will adjust to the slow change
and boil to death.

The public is somewhere in the boiling stages, right now.

Always remember, dollars are money. Currency is not
money. Currency can only be expressed in dollars.

Why dance around?

The only way to effect change is for all of us to
do it! How? Get this information into the hands of the
public. Get them out of the "dumbed -down" stage.
Circulate information like this just like the Fed circulates
their fiat "Notes." It worked for them.

The national government is part of the problem and will
never make a change.

What gives FRNs their "value?" False public beliefs. People
believe FRNs are "legal tender," and they are, but they
fail to comprehend the FRNs have no intrinsic value.
Change the public's perception about the "reality" of FRNs,
and the reality changes their perceptions.

Do not deal with symptoms the public will never understand
or accept. Deal with symptoms and the problem still exists.

Deal with the problem.

More, solve it.

Just my POV.


I am going to break up my notes into smaller threads to
make the reading easier.... I have a lot to say.
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Old 09-17-2006, 11:29 AM
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For my mind, too many on this site have a hard-on for
asserting their right to drive/travel, the driver's license
issue, etc. Good luck to you. It is like a tsunami is on
the way, and you want to quibble over which bathing
suit to wear to the beach.

Do you think this country has been debased by errant
police forces issuing traffic tickets? There are much
bigger fish to fry.

What is the purpose of issuing tickets?

To raise revenue.

What is the purpose of requiring countless licenses, not
just a driver's license...marriage, building, fishing/hunting, etc.
They are all for the statutorily created license to steal from
us. Raise money, make more money, suck the lifeblood
out of the people.

It is always about money...
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Old 09-17-2006, 11:47 AM
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How did this country lose itself? Bullets and armies failed
during the Revolutionary War.

We lost to the bankers...the unseen enemy. Not a shot
had to be fired.

Oh, wait. Two shots were fired. Lincoln and Kennedy.

Both messed with the currency to the exclusion of the
bankers. Those two shots tell you how serious these
people are...deadly serious.

We all need to take a proactive stance, immediately!
It may still be possible to save this country by those
willing to stand up for what is theirs. I am not going to
list a litany of sayings from our forefathers about the
eveils of bankers and a central bank. Nobody listened
to them then, when it was much easier to put the issue
to rest.

I am not sure anyone is any more willing to listen today.

It is going to be up to people like you and me to do
something about it. THAT is whay I wanted to start a
thread about money.

I do not pretend to be an authority, but I just know that
the information has to get out there. Otherwise, no one
will be the wiser. No one else will do it for us. The
government has shown us that. It has to be a grass-
roots effort. There are plenty of people out there who
want change. Too many are not even aware of the
serious sitution we face daily, as life for all free Americans
comes to end end.

We cannot be followers. We have to be doers. What will
it take?

For sure, the biggest weapon we have is information,
knowledge....that which the international bankers fear
the most, and suppress it at every opportunity, for that
very reason. The internet is our most powerful tool. We
need to throw light on what they have done so people
can begin to see, more importantly, understand.

What is at stake?

A lot more than an effing driver's license or parking
ticket. It is all about priorities. I feel like I want to say
we are about to lose our freedoms, but I am not so sure
that we already lost them, and we are unknowingly just
going through the motions.

I have no specific plan, other than bringing up the money
issue and giving it some clarity, if I can...
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:02 PM
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What is the money issue?

Good question.

I do not pretend to be qualified to anser it, but we have
to start somewhere. Article 1, section 8, clause 5 of the
Constitution would be a good place:

Section 8 The Power of Congress
clause 5: To coin money, regulate the value thereof,
and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and
measures.


Clause 6 is also worth noting:

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the
securities and current coin of the United States.


Keep in mind, federal powers do not extend into the State's
domain. Each State is sovereign, at least they used to be.
We also need to be aware of Section 10 Restriction upon
Powers of States, clause 1:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or
Confederation; grant letters of Marque and Resprisal;
coin money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but
gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts..."

[Emphasis added]

The Constitution is telling us that the States cannot make any
Thing but gold and silver Coin a tender in
payment of Debts!

"You honor, about that fine for my traffic violation. What
is the current money of account in the United States
today, and how much of THAT is a dollar quantity that
I am supposed to pay?"


Please, if you haven't done so, go back and read the
Coinage Act of 1792. It is an easy read, and it tells you
what "money of account" means...
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:07 PM
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Remember, I said it is going to take information, knowledge.
That is how we can formulate and articulate plans to force
the powers that be to play by those rules they have
taken an oath to uphold. All of those judges, most all
office holders, have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution,
prior to taking office.

"By the way your honor, I have a copy of the oath of
office you took to uphold the Constitution of the
United States and our own state..."


We are in the embryonic stages, and already a few ideas
are taking shape...
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:18 PM
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Take a look at Section 9 of the Coinage Act of 1792:

"DOLLARS OR UNITS -- each to be the value of a Spanish
milled dollar at the same is now current, and to contain
three hundred and seventy-one grains and four-sixteenths
parts of a grain of pure silver, or four hundred and sixteen
grains of standard silver."


There you have it, folks. In black and white. There is
your evidence...the ONLY definition of a United
States dollar: three hundred and seventy-one grains and
four-sixteenth parts of a grain of pure silver!

Stop thinking of those FRNs you use every day as being
a dollar. THEY ARE NOT!

Even the FED will tell you their $1 note is NOT a dollar,
despite everyone calling it so, (bait and switch). The
bankers want you to in order to keep deceiving your
mind...
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:23 PM
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And look at what the Coinage Act of 1792 says in Section 20:

"Money Of Account To Be Expressed In Dollars, etc"

And be it further enacted, that the money of account of
the United States shall be expressed in dollars, or units,
dimes or thenths, cents or hundreds...and that all accounts
in the public offices and all the proceedings in the courts
of the United States shall be kept and had in conformity
to this regulation."




"Uh, your honor....."
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:34 PM
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Notice that I am doing something here. Every "argument"
or premise about the money issue is related back to the
very foundation of rules established, and NEVER OVERTURNED,
for this country. This isn't just an opinion being put forth
by me. It's the effing LAW! The SUPREME LAW!

"The citizen of a free State has no superior, in point of
liberty or in point of law. The humblest citizen is entitled
to the same rights and privileges, and the same protection,
to which the highest magistrate is entitled."

"To protect liberty, the streams of legislation, administration,
and justice must be kept clear."


Quotes from Magna Charta: The Foundation of American
Liberties.

You can see from the above that what used to be practice
has been reduced to memory, for in the current streams
of legislation, adminstration, and justice... liberty and
sovereignty are inconveniences to raising revenue.

Money! Money! Money!

And money is not what we think!...
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:40 PM
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Let us keep founded in fact and in law.

6 July 1785, Congress declared that the money unit of the
United States was a "dollar," and the dollar would contain
375.64 grains of pure silver.

Congress was NOT given the power to declare a legal tender,
and Article 1, Section 10, cluase 1 limited the legal tender
power of the States to gold and silver coin.

The laws are very clear, once we know what they are,
and once we know now how to ask, "What is the current
money of account in the United States today, and how
much of THAT is a dollar quantity?"

See what information and knowledge can do?!...
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Old 09-17-2006, 01:06 PM
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What have the bankers done to gain control of this country?

They took control of our currency. Remember Rothshield's
famous quote?

"Give me control of a nations currency, and I care not
who makes the laws."


If you think it is Congress who makes the laws, you might
want to rethink that thought.

Then, we have the Uniform Commercial Code to make it
easier for the banks to all follow the same constraints
against us.

Everything...everything is based on contract law.

Well, guess what?! The biggest Mother contract of them
all just happens to be another economic contract. We
all know it as the Constitution of the United States!

You probably never thought of it as a contract, and one
based on economics, but it is quite clear in how it defines
a dollar, what constitutes our currency...gold and silver coin.
AND, there was an absolute prohibition against
paper currency.

The debacle from the inflationary disaster, the
Contitental dollar, was fresh on their minds when writing
the Constitution. The authors wanted to make sure that
would never be repeated again.

"The prohibition in the Constitution to make anything but
gold or silver coin a legal tender in payment of debts is
express and universal. the framers of the Constitution
regarded it as an evil to be repelled without modification;
they have, therefore, left nothing to be inferred, or
deduced from construction on this subject."

12 Wheat @288.

As an aside, in the Legal Tender Supreme Court cases,
one in particular, Knox, was passed saying that paper
currency could be legal tender, and the reason was that
it was in Congress' power to do so, as to be found in the
Constitution.

Say what!? No one could ever find it, and the reading
of 12 Wheat @288 above makes that perfectly clear.

A clear example of how the international bankers controll
the judiciary...even then. If I recall correctly, I think it
was Grant who nominated two S Ct justices, and their
first order of business was to "create" the Knox case. I
do not have its cite, at the moment.

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Despite all this clarity, Congress has let the bankers usurp
our national currency and replace it with FRNs,(Federal
Reserve Notes).

Usurpation is the unlawful encroachment or assumption of
the use of power, property, or authority which belongs to
another.
The assumption of government by force or illegally, in
derogation of the Constitution and the rights of the
lawful ruler.

It seems apparent to me that most Americans do not
know their own history, and do not know that that lack
of knowledge is costing them everything.

Knowledge and information...
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