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Old 03-17-2007, 07:34 AM
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What the ADL says RE Sovereignty

Check this out. I was amazed to stumble on this link and what the ADL says about sovereign citizens...

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/SCM.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism _in_America&xpicked=4&item=sov

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Somewhat accurate, in a nutshell, after screening some Relativity.

Greetings and blessings to the holders of Sharona!

That is one of the most accurate treatise on the topic that I know of. However, like any Observer making an attempt to catechise or chastise any Course of events, whether pursuing onboard a Raft or vesting one's rites to a time in a craft, the reference to hatred or the lack of excelling the bar in a fellowship of love would accomplish a sentancing inspective to know the cites or cities and their mortar or bonds that surveyed and layed what brought the Sentance to such a declaration with and without. With every Sentance on that ADL.ORG cite, it is necessary to reference actual testimony of the subjective matter given the author that brought him to such a conclusion, and to this it is detectable, but with a checksum and log we would know the purpose of said cite in its migration from revision to recision of text certain to evince the qualities of its contributors.

I hear MONSANTO, a corporation and its agents, would induce a love to the Dandelion isolated of Westminster if it were a love to join certain inferior genes that rendered the root to succumb to the neurological Chemical that made them subject. Such a joinder of love was served to render a congenital condition to the greatest of herbs accused as "weeds" by those that love killing them or hate them to live. Wherever they are, and whatever opinions are given them, the source to city such declaration is to be done at the scrutiny of life and the Conventions brought by the LORD to compurgate any malevolence. If it were, then the authors that dare contributed to that Article are without the neutrality to one cause in favor of the other or its dimorphic exposition in favor of intercasting the fore.

In that side of the old man; someone as Some Young Coon or Cum Bung Poon or Sum Yung Moon, whichever he decides to one of my minds by his pretended character, he would appreciate the things collected and re-said there.

As for me, I'm as sovereign as an eraser to the correction of another's order of his Order, or Wiskey shotgun upside my better half. I was entertained, but they wouldn't accept my Note for an equal exchange of the entertainment from my script . THEONION.COM is a subsidiary of ADL.ORG, if I remember correctly; they have Articles more convincing of their Parents in ADL.ORG. Try this excellent work of disbaring journalism ( http://www.theonion.com/content/news...mic_extremists ). I also hear that an extremist becomes more extreme, when they spell with a lot of X's: they're exXXtremists!

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Old 03-17-2007, 02:14 PM
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Greetings and blessings to the holders of Sharona!

That is one of the most accurate treatise on the topic that I know of. However, like any Observer making an attempt to catechise or chastise any Course of events, whether pursuing onboard a Raft or vesting one's rites to a time in a craft, the reference to hatred or the lack of excelling the bar in a fellowship of love would accomplish a sentancing inspective to know the cites or cities and their mortar or bonds that surveyed and layed what brought the Sentance to such a declaration with and without. With every Sentance on that ADL.ORG cite, it is necessary to reference actual testimony of the subjective matter given the author that brought him to such a conclusion, and to this it is detectable, but with a checksum and log we would know the purpose of said cite in its migration from revision to recision of text certain to evince the qualities of its contributors.

I hear MONSANTO, a corporation and its agents, would induce a love to the Dandelion isolated of Westminster if it were a love to join certain inferior genes that rendered the root to succumb to the neurological Chemical that made them subject. Such a joinder of love was served to render a congenital condition to the greatest of herbs accused as "weeds" by those that love killing them or hate them to live. Wherever they are, and whatever opinions are given them, the source to city such declaration is to be done at the scrutiny of life and the Conventions brought by the LORD to compurgate any malevolence. If it were, then the authors that dare contributed to that Article are without the neutrality to one cause in favor of the other or its dimorphic exposition in favor of intercasting the fore.

In that side of the old man; someone as Some Young Coon or Cum Bung Poon or Sum Yung Moon, whichever he decides to one of my minds by his pretended character, he would appreciate the things collected and re-said there.

As for me, I'm as sovereign as an eraser to the correction of another's order of his Order, or Wiskey shotgun upside my better half. I was entertained, but they wouldn't accept my Note for an equal exchange of the entertainment from my script . THEONION.COM is a subsidiary of ADL.ORG, if I remember correctly; they have Articles more convincing of their Parents in ADL.ORG. Try this excellent work of disbaring journalism ( http://www.theonion.com/content/news...mic_extremists ). I also hear that an extremist becomes more extreme, when they spell with a lot of X's: they're exXXtremists!

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Extremely interesting post, Gregory Thomas (tm).

But what exactly are you saying?

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Read it a couple times. This fellow has a vocabulary.
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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

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Old 03-17-2007, 05:59 PM
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Read it a couple times. This fellow has a vocabulary.

Yes it is obvious he has a vocabulary and is quite the pedant.

However, my question is in regards to words which have "alternate, esoteric" meanings.

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P.S. Just listened to your mp3 version of RevokeTheTrust's post up above. Hilarious! Does make a little more sense as well. So, thanks DM.

RevokeTheTrust might be interested in going to google video and searching for the download on "The Future of Food." Tells all about Monsanto's nefarious Frankenfood which is taking over our food supply. Now that the bees are dying off (bottom of the food chain) it's only a matter of time before we at the top of the food chain are affected. Not meant to hijack my own thread. . .
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Boil it down, Monsanto is gentically altering the plant life to protect their patents. And so the honey bees ain't gonna be able to make it! You know what happens when plants are not pollenated? No food grows. I know when I get stuck with GMO bird seed from the feed store, the birds are smart enuff to avoid that seed at all costs. Won't go near it period! Thank you Monsanto. Also for all of the seed patents that you are sueing farmers all over the US and Canada(world wide I'm sure) claiming the unauthorized use of said seeds. But when they cross pollinate with non GMO plants the altered seed strain takes over.
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Old 03-17-2007, 10:21 PM
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Thread hijacked!

If there is no food there can be no useless eaters. It makes sense when you realize the NWO wants to reduce the world's population to under 500 million. We will eat soylent green.

Plot summary for Soylent Green (1973)
A tale of Earth in despair in 2022. Natural food like fruits, vegetables, and meat among others are now extinct. Earth is overpopulated and New York City has 40 million starving, poverty stricken people. The only way they survive is with water rations and eating a mysterious food called Soylent. A detective investigates the murder of the president of the Soylent company. The truth he uncovers is more disturbing than the Earth in turmoil when he learns the secret ingredient of Soylent Green.
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue55/classic.html


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Boil it down, Monsanto is gentically altering the plant life to protect their patents. And so the honey bees ain't gonna be able to make it! You know what happens when plants are not pollenated? No food grows. I know when I get stuck with GMO bird seed from the feed store, the birds are smart enuff to avoid that seed at all costs. Won't go near it period! Thank you Monsanto. Also for all of the seed patents that you are sueing farmers all over the US and Canada(world wide I'm sure) claiming the unauthorized use of said seeds. But when they cross pollinate with non GMO plants the altered seed strain takes over.
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If there is no food there can be no useless eaters. It makes sense when you realize the NWO wants to reduce the world's population to under 500 million. We will eat soylent green.

Plot summary for Soylent Green (1973)
A tale of Earth in despair in 2022. Natural food like fruits, vegetables, and meat among others are now extinct. Earth is overpopulated and New York City has 40 million starving, poverty stricken people. The only way they survive is with water rations and eating a mysterious food called Soylent. A detective investigates the murder of the president of the Soylent company. The truth he uncovers is more disturbing than the Earth in turmoil when he learns the secret ingredient of Soylent Green.
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue55/classic.html


Well yes, perhaps we will all of us eat Soylent Green for a while (one of my all-time favorite movies from childhood). . . until even the population used to produce the Soylent Green is no longer a resource. . . Most likely developing additional, more-invasive and toxic forms of "Mad People Disease" (the human form of bovine spongiform hydroencephaly, hope I spelled that right)...Then what?

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Ruled by Intimidation and Fear?

Okay, back to the subject at hand, this is how I felt after I read that info RE sovereignty on the ADL website:

WHY are they attacking "sovereigns" as if sovereigns are attacking "Jews," but we're not. You're not, I'm not.

Unlike David Icke, who claims the world leaders, all "self-professed Jews" are actually shape-shifting 12-foot-tall reptilians intent on taking over the planet. Humorous, in a way (unless it's true).

In any case, the ADL is demonizing sovereigns, and stating that we are all in the same camp as Timothy McVeigh/Terry Nichols and will all be bombing federal buildings next month!

They state we are "anti-government," and "anarchists." For my part, all I want is to be left alone. "Live and let live, that's my motto."

Does being "anti-government" equate to being "anti-Jew?" I think not. But apparently they think so, else they would not have spent so much time "exposing us" as "right-wing extremists." And who are they to judge?

ADL's website header reads: "To stop the defamation of the Jewish people... to secure justice and fair treatment to all."

Isn't that what the sovereign movement is all about? "Justice and Fair Treatment to all?"

Do the injustices the Jewish people endured during the Holocaust (some in my very own family) give the ADL the right to turn around now and use this horrible period in their history to become aggressors towards all others?

I am not a gun-toting militiaman (er, woman). Although as a Daughter of the American Revolution and also a Daughter of the Texas Revolution, my ancestors certainly were!

And Terry Nichols (who is ill and at the end of his life expectancy) just came out with an Affidavit last month whereby he affirms that the entire OK City Bombing incident was a "false flag" operation actually orchestrated and conducted by the top brass in the F.B.I., and that Tim McVeigh was recruited as a mind-control victim while he was in the service. Then they deliberately told him/them to go about to all the "gun shows" and "freedom/patriot" rallies so that they would create a smear campaign to STOP the patriot/militia movements which (after Ruby Ridge and Waco) were picking up momentum and starting to make things very difficult for the powers that be. So, to stop the "revolution," they engineered the OK City bombing, then "false flagged" it as the work of the patriot movement!

So now I finally have the information and resources I need (or am almost there) in order to become sovereign again (which we -- ALL THE PEOPLE of America -- always were and never lost at any time, if we had only KNOWN) but now I am suddenly concerned that it is just too dangerous to even assert my natural, God-given and unalienable rights!!!

This is my concern.

Does "let freedom ring" mean the ringing of rifle shots in our ears, as in the morning that Randy Weaver's wife heard shots and opened the door of her home up on Ruby Ridge to see what was going on and was shot dead on her doorstep as she held her one-year-old daughter in her arms? Is this to be the fate of us all?

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That is one of the most accurate treatise on the topic that I know of.

I don't recognize that as a treaties on the inherent sovereignty of human beings.

That adl article is compleatly flawed from its foundation and is a juxtaposing of a few "bad apple" elements (and their hateful/rash activities), with people who truly embody and constitute what was created to protect this inherent sovereignty in the first place. It's a good thing that people are not apples, or a few would spoil the bunch...

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Origins: Çirca 1970; fully developed by early 1980s

The American People's claim and defence of their inherent individual sovereignty was started with the Declaration of Independance... when it was declared [to the King of England]: "... all [people] are created equal ...", it didn't start in 1970, it started in the mid 1700's.

This inherent sovereignt is later recognized by the supreme court in various cases and in the constitution[s] themselves.

The statement that a human is the "king/queen of their castle" is not an idle statement. It is simply a declaration of ancient divine right.

Like any non-groups/non-orginizations of like minded people, we find that they are not all like minded in every single point. Religions are a very good example of this... how many different prespectives have we heard regarding the various religions from people who claim to be of the same religion? Seems there are millions of variations of Judisim, Christianity, Hinduisim, etc...

These movements that the author tried to encompass with the oxymoronic title "sovereign citizen"... are what they are, and were what they were, yet I don't subscribe to them, nor am I a racist or an anti-semit or a party to groups advocating war or anyother activities that violate human rights.

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The "sovereign citizen" movement is a loosely organized collection of groups and individuals who have adopted a right-wing anarchist ideology originating in the theories of a group called the Posse Comitatus in the 1970s.

This is not what I am or am a part of. I am a divine being created in the Image and Likeness of God, who recognizes that all People are my equal and this is not theory originating in the Posse Comitatus... it is Truth that is older than any Nation State in existance on Earth. One would think that the ADL people would recognize the principles rooted in Genisis - guess like all religions, there are People who claim to be Jewish who are not.

Its adherents believe that virtually all existing government in the United States is illegitimate and they seek to "restore" an idealized, minimalist government that never actually existed.

Not only does it exist, but it allows for the existance of sub-cultures (Nation States) to form in the state of Nature... so long as said nation states are in harmony with divine Law and the laws of Nature.

To this end, sovereign citizens wage war against the government and other forms of authority using "paper terrorism" harassment and intimidation tactics, and occasionally resorting to violence.

While a few sovereigns have undoutably formaly declared War on the United States, this is not the trend.

Why would the co-owners of the many municipal corporations and the soverigns of the several Republic states destroy their tools? This is silly.

Granted, most people I know are usualy pretty pissed off that they have been being mislead, by people like the ADL article author, amoung other sources including the public schools... yet we recognize that the problem is the people, and the enemy is ignorance - not fictional 'states' and 'persons'.

The idea that it is a crime for People to protect themsleves aginst a deprevation/alienation of rights under color of law by ignorant people acting in persona of policy enforcers and other non-constitutinal originization's agents and those of non-priginization[s].... is what criminals say, as they "wage war" against the People and other forms of authority using "paper terrorism", harassment, intimidation tactics, propaganda, extortion, and ultimatly violent activities including abduction, torture, and murder.

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Republic of Texas. The original “Republic of Texas,” formed in late 1995, soon split into several competing factions, which later re-unified in 2002. Daniel Miller, the leader of one of the factions, is the “President” of this sovereign citizen group, which pretends that Texas is an independent country.
Guess the author never saw the commericals that Texas ran on all the tv stations for years... the slogan of which was:


"Welcome to Texas... it's a whole other country."
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