Berth Certificates - how to get them back?

[Bulletproof Monk]

Speaking of waters breaking and vessels at berth...ah we're either all at sea or in some sort of electrical circuit, charged, discharged, arrest..

BIRTH CERT's

I was wondering if anyone has experience or knowledge of how I can retrieve my ORIGINAL berth certificate?

I have what I thought was the original, but it turns out it says "certified copy".

Mine comes from England, and is handwritten.

Also where it states "name,if any"....my first name and middle name are in there...no surname.

Does that mean my middle name is really my last name?

confused.
Bulletproof

[Codee]

No.

You decide your name unless you have a master.

WHo Is The MASTER???

[Notorial dissent]

There is no "original" birth certificate to retrieve. What you have is correctly a certificate or certification of live birth, and is a legal abstract of the record placed register upon the register of births by your parents or the reporting individual. There may well be an original return that was sent to the register, but there may not be anything surviving. Once the birth is recorded on the register, that is considered to be the official record, and that is what the certificate issues from.

A birth or death certifcate is nothing more than an abstract of the official record, and follows the form prescribed by law, under seal of the holding official, usually the registrar of vital statistics. It is no different than a certificate issued for a tax paid or of some other record, it basically is saying that it is a certified copy of the record in the possession of that office.

If there is an error on the record, you will need to go back to whoever issued the original return and have them issue a correction to the recording office. The hospitol or Dr should have a record copy.

[manros]

for your birth certificate. That, the one your parent(s) signed when you came into this world.

They monetize these applications. Hospitals are also compensated for getting the parent (usually the mother) to sign it as soon as possible after delivery of the child.

APPLICATIONS FOR BIRTH CERTIFICATES ARE FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS THAT ARE INSURED AND SECURE THE OPRESSORS INTERESTS ON THE FUTURE LABOR OF THE NEWBORN (first life contract into slavery)

Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk

Speaking of waters breaking and vessels at berth...ah we're either all at sea or in some sort of electrical circuit, charged, discharged, arrest..

BIRTH CERT's

I was wondering if anyone has experience or knowledge of how I can retrieve my ORIGINAL berth certificate?

I have what I thought was the original, but it turns out it says "certified copy".

Mine comes from England, and is handwritten.

Also where it states "name,if any"....my first name and middle name are in there...no surname.

Does that mean my middle name is really my last name?

confused.
Bulletproof

[Gray]

What is submission?

What is a certificate? It is evidence of title.

What is application? To beg

What is registration? Evidence that title lays elsewhere.

So the thinking in some circles is that the Statement of Live Birth is the moneymaker.

Submit an application to get a certificate of registration and you've completed the bondage.

So after all that, you chance of getting the original birth certificate/statement of birth is nil.

It's sitting in a warehouse with the rest of the collateral and you get a piece of paper that evidences its existence. It ain't yours to have.

The question then becomes do you need it?

[Bulletproof Monk]

I was born in the UK...check this out..

It is illegal for anyone other than a UK registered midwife or doctor to 'attend' a woman in labour except in an emergency. This means that if it can be proved that the birth partner intended to act as a midwife, he (or she, but 'he' is used here for simplicity) may be prosecuted.

The birth partner may even be liable to prosecution if he was present at the baby's birth, even if he was in another room at the time. Some have suggested that 'present' means in the same room, but it could be interpreted as 'nearby'.

http://www.homebirth.org.uk/law.htm

[Bulletproof Monk]

Originally Posted by HenryBowman

BM,

Your questions gives the appearance that you believe it belongs to you.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Do a study on the word "issue" and see that "issue" and "offspring" and "descendants" are synonymous, and often used equally.

If the state "issues" the birth certificate, it is their child.

Stay tuned. I pulled a thread, and I am going to see about having it re-appear.

I see your meaning...

Do you think it possible to correct their record? Would doing that destroy my right to go back to the home country?

What R U doing up so late...or is it early...it's 12.57pm here?

Bulletproof

[2501]

My father and I went to get my birth certificate (the one signed by the doctor). We went to vital statistics and asked for a certified copy. they gave a certified transcript of a record held in their possession (what notorial protest was posting about). It was printed out in front of me and had a UPC bar code on it. And it was not the one signed by the doctor (also known as the long form (even though in this case the long form is shorter than the short form)). I wanted a certified copy of the one signed by the doctor (long form). The lady brought the book over to me to show the page that they look at to make the transcripts of birth off of. And we both noticed that it appeared to be signed by the doctor. It is yello and appears to be a carbon copy of some sort bound with hundreds of others like it in a 3-ring binder. She then suggested that she could simply make a copy of that page and then certify the copy for me. I thought thats what a certified copy was anyway. and after we leave with both versions of this 'birth certificate' I find out it is a certificate of birth. And that John Henry is in one box for name and then in the surname box it said DOE! Well my father was also concerned because when I was born he had a birth certificate issued (if I remember his story correctly) and they misspelled part of his name, someone must have thought it was the same as part of my name and taken the liberty to change his name. They are spelled very similarly and his name is also rare. So when we noticed this we phone the vital statistics place to tell them of these two mistakes we have so far detected. Vital statistics said that my fathers mistake was easy to fix. I told the lady our family does not capitalize our family name she went and grabbed the book and flipped through it while on the phone and she said "they're all like that, every one in this book is that way". I told her we feel it is a mistake. Then I asked her how easy it would be to correct that mistake. She said that one is not gonna be easy. She didn't even know how to go about such a thing. She did admit it was odd that they were like that. She then told me that the documents go two places before they end up with her. Those two places are the hospital and then the state level. Since then I have also found reason to believe that the county may also get a copy.

I have been meaning to find the rule or regulations, etc. that governs the usage of that form. Also what each copy is for, what information it asks for and where it goes should all be available in a statute or something somewhere. I should also be able to find out if it is really a copy too..or is it some other type of thing.

BTW, it listed my mother as the informant. And the date when notice was sent to her. The option to publish it in the newspaper was not checked off (presumably by my mother) but she said it was in the papers

[Bulletproof Monk]

PROPOSAL FOR THE DEREGULATION (CORRECTION OF BIRTH AND DEATH ENTRIES IN REGISTERS OR OTHER RECORDS) ORDER 2001

Introduction
10. The Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953 ("the 1953 Act") provides that corrections may be made by the registry officer to registers of births or deaths upon production to him of a statutory declaration which sets out the error and the true facts of the matter. The statutory declaration must be made by two qualified informants.[14] In default of two qualified informants, the declaration may be made by two 'credible persons' who have knowledge of the true facts of the case.

11. The Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages (Special Provisions) Act 1957 ("the 1957 Act") contains similar provisions to the 1953 Act. The 1957 Act is mainly concerned with the registration of births, deaths and marriages outside the United Kingdom involving members of the armed forces or specific related organisations, or occurring on board certain ships or aircraft.[15] Corrections to such registers may be made upon production to the specified officer of a statutory declaration made by two credible persons "having knowledge of the truth" of the matter.
34. We now understand that the Government justifies inclusion of persons not acting in the course of any trade, business or profession or anything of that sort, but in their purely private capacities, within the scope of section 1 by reference to section 5 of the 1994 Act (which deals with enforcement procedures and appeals). Section 5(1) enables Ministers to make statutory instruments improving enforcement procedures in the case of provisions which impose restrictions affecting persons in the carrying on of any trade, business or profession or otherwise. Section 5(2) disapplies that power where the persons concerned are solely or mainly affected in their private capacities.