American National, sovereign state Citizen, or Sui Juris freeman?

[Jerseee]

Interesting thread so far--but I think the point is being missed.



Crucial point: Nothing is law without your consent.



Radical statement indeed--nonetheless, true. think on it. Then things should come a little more clearer as to who decides who is a US Citizen, Sui Juris, or Sovereign.



If you are king/queen then be a king/queen.

[Raptor13x]

you guys are awesome, you have this almost arrogant way of thinking... you are above the law and you KNOW it, through and through, regardless of what all the rest of the idiots around the world think. I like that, I like people that stand up and say it how it is.

[EnSabahNur]

I am who I say I am, not who the Police, Government, Crown Prosecutor, Revenue Canada, or any other De-Facto organization claiming to be my creator claims I am.



How's that for short and simple.



P.S. - Raptor 13x, I would keep it simple. "For the record I am a Full Liability, Free willed, living man with a soul." Any other form of Identifying yourself is now irrelevant. Nobody needs to know your Name, where you live, if you are American (national or citizen) or any other kind of label. You have told them what your state of "Being" is, they have NO authority over you...so "**** Off", in other words.

[Jerseee]

Raptor 13x,



Arrogant is a good way to describe it sometimes but, more than that is---can they prove who they say that I am? You can prove who you say you are but, there is no need to defend yourself of an accusation that someone else has made. Let them prove their accusations. Remember you are not their witness, so asking you questions to prove their point is a little ridiculous don't ya think?



That is the purpose of the 5th amendment.

[Raptor13x]

Originally Posted by EnSabahNur

P.S. - Raptor 13x, I would keep it simple. "For the record I am a Full Liability, Free willed, living man with a soul." Any other form of Identifying yourself is now irrelevant. Nobody needs to know your Name, where you live, if you are American (national or citizen) or any other kind of label. You have told them what your state of "Being" is, they have NO authority over you...so "**** Off", in other words.

Does this actually work with so-called police officers? From what I've seen, they would unlawfully arrest you and impound your car, causing you to have to spend a rediculous amount of time in and out of court sueing them, just to live freely and get your posessions back. Wouldnt it be more productive to provide them with some documents covering what sovereignty is and why you are exempt from their usual extortion scheme, if only to prevent needless court time?

[EnSabahNur]

Court?? Who said anything about court? Let them abuse you, kidnap you, assault you and steal your property. They seem to think they have every right, no amount of explaining sovereignty is going to dissuade that...trust me. So let them finish up what they are going to do...DO NOT make appearance (the appearance trap), they have 48 hours to charge you or suffer worse penalties (Riverside vs Mclaughlin) then go after them...not in court. Use your administrative remedies first. Go after their Bonding agent...make them prove they had the right to do what they did, whoops..no court order....oh my...someone was operating in their private capacity and NOT as a court authorized officer. I'll let you now how my situation pans out. I'm doing it all by registered mail using a Notary, and shooting for a Certificate of Dishonor in my favor against the offender. Then I'll lein and seize everything he owns, and ruin his credit rating. For people still in the slave realm that is terrible, hahahahahaha.

[valtekk]

Hi Guy! I enjoy Sui Juris and this forum, I have been having some success in court so far but now the judge is tried to issue an artcle 730, does anyone has a remedy for this. I did a Notice and Demand for a Bill of Particulars on the court. I am now thinking of doing the same with article 730 order. also i did an A4V and returned the order back to them. Any suggestions?

[TheBlackTruth]

Originally Posted by EnSabahNur

Court?? Who said anything about court? Let them abuse you, kidnap you, assault you and steal your property. They seem to think they have every right, no amount of explaining sovereignty is going to dissuade that...trust me. So let them finish up what they are going to do...DO NOT make appearance (the appearance trap), they have 48 hours to charge you or suffer worse penalties (Riverside vs Mclaughlin) then go after them...not in court. Use your administrative remedies first. Go after their Bonding agent...make them prove they had the right to do what they did, whoops..no court order....oh my...someone was operating in their private capacity and NOT as a court authorized officer. I'll let you now how my situation pans out. I'm doing it all by registered mail using a Notary, and shooting for a Certificate of Dishonor in my favor against the offender. Then I'll lein and seize everything he owns, and ruin his credit rating. For people still in the slave realm that is terrible, hahahahahaha.

<font color=darkblue face=verdana>EnSabahNur,



Have you tried this before? If so, how many times and where? What were the results?[/color]

[Jerseee]

valtekk,



Welcome to the forum.



I must regrettably say that very few here deal with A4V. Here are a couple of members that I know of that may assist you with your query



Charlene and iamfreeru2



good luck

Weis,



I suspect you've already seen this:



TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part III > Sec. 1481. Next Sec. 1481. - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions



(a)



A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality -



(1)



obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or



(2)



taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or



(3)



entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if



(i)



such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or



(ii)



such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or



(4)



(i)



accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or



(ii)



accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or



(5)



making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or



(6)



making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or



(7)



committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section

2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.



(b)



Whenever the loss of United States nationality is put in issue in any action or proceeding commenced on or after September 26, 1961 under, or by virtue of, the provisions of this chapter or any other Act, the burden shall be upon the person or party claiming that such loss occurred, to establish such claim by a preponderance of the evidence. Any person who commits or performs, or who has committed or performed, any act of expatriation under the provisions of this chapter or any other Act shall be presumed to have done so voluntarily, but such presumption may be rebutted upon a showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the act or acts committed or performed were not done voluntarily.

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Both (a)(1) and (a)(2) allow one to relinquish one's nationality (U.S. Citizenship as defined in this chapter) by simply making application or taking of oath or allegiance to a "foreign state", i.e., one of the States in the <u>u</u>nited States.

Look up the term "application" in Black's or Bouvier's to see that merely making application is sufficient to assert one's citizenship. No permission or confirmation or validation from any one or any thing need occur. This is consistent with the behavior of a Sovereign who only need assert who he is and asks permsission of no one. The burden is on others to prove contrary.