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Old 12-16-2007, 02:37 PM
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There are no Amendments? What are you smoking?

From the original body of the Constitution:

Can you not read or are you intentionally twisting the meaning of what was said?

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Article the Seventeenth is repugnant to and wars upon that "original body of the Constitution.

It is quite obvious that by striking (changing) those original Articles and the Bill of Rights, the end result will eventually completely defeat and countermand the entire intent of the Constitution as drafted and passed in Philadelphia.

Are you saying that's OK, so long as a democratic process is followed in carrying it out?
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Old 12-16-2007, 09:27 PM
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Really? Could you provide a citation that proves that?


My bad, m'am, I got my papers confused. I was thinking more along the lines of the Declaration of Independence...

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed...

The Constitution stays on topic: framing the government. However, in the preamble, it speaks of:

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...and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...

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The important thing about it is that it tells us all that we are our own sovereign/king and there is no "law" that man can make that would infringe upon our Creator-endowed rights.

What I was trying to get at was that we all have equal rights that are limited only until they interfere with the rights of others. These rights aren't given to us by other men, they are innate, so no man-made law can interfere with those rights. Further more, we don't have to be the "subject" of any King because we have rights to own property, to be our own kings. That all is the "Blessings of Liberty" which the Constitution speaks of.

I hope that helps clarify my previous post. I'm still learning, it's why I'm here. Thank you for pushing me to look deeper into things.
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Old 12-16-2007, 11:11 PM
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Good point. NO court in this country has ever said that any person has a right to drive on public streets without a driver's license. The Supreme Court of the United States upheld driver's license requirements in 1915.

And don't bother quibbling over the definition of "person" or "motor vehicle". Call it a car, call it an automobile, call it what you will...every person (human being, what have you) is required to have a license to drive on public streets and highways. The reported cases are unanimous on this point.

Unless one is a foreign spy of course, lurking under cover of diplomatic immunity. They don't need no stinking license.
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Old 12-17-2007, 05:22 PM
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It is within the power of the private foreign federal union and the states to regulate 14th amendment resident aliens.

The federal union and the states do not have the power to regulate natural born Citizens of the de jure states and strangers not privileged.

http://www.highvibrations.org/archive2/bucknews.htm

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Good point. NO court in this country has ever said that any person has a right to drive on public streets without a driver's license. The Supreme Court of the United States upheld driver's license requirements in 1915.

And don't bother quibbling over the definition of "person" or "motor vehicle". Call it a car, call it an automobile, call it what you will...every person (human being, what have you) is required to have a license to drive on public streets and highways. The reported cases are unanimous on this point.


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Unless one is a foreign spy of course, lurking under cover of diplomatic immunity. They don't need no stinking license.
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[Pollard v. Hagan, 44 U.S. 212 (1845)]
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Old 12-27-2007, 08:59 PM
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"Nothing more than "equal protection of the law" is required to satisfy the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Thus, equal tyranny and deprivation of common-law rights to all meets the equal protection principle.

So, what protection is given?

Answer: As much as the national government wishes to give, and no more.

Congressional protection can be enlarged and contracted as much as Congress and Administrative Agencies wish, provided only that these changes affect all equally.

If everyone is chained to a post for their own protection, then they have "equal protection of the law" under the law martial.

To see the clear and inherent weakness of the "Due Process Clause" of the Fourteenth Amendment , we look below to find that the common-law principles clearly known to the Bill of Rights do not apply to the Fourteenth Amendment and "Due Process."

"The right of trial by jury in civil cases, guaranteed by the Seventh Amendment (Walker v. Sauvinet, 92 US 90), and the right to bear arms guaranteed by the Second Amendment ( Presser v. Illinois, 116 US 252 ), have been distinctly held not to be privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment against abridgement by the States, and in effect the same decision was made in respect of the guarantee against prosecution, except by indictment by grand jury, contained in the Fifth Amendment (Hurtado v. California, 110 US 516 ), and in respect of the right to be confronted with witnesses,
contained in the Sixth Amendment. ( West v . Louisiana, 194 US 258 ). In Maxwell v. Dow, supra, where the plaintiff in error had been convicted in a state court of a felony upon information and by a jury of eight persons, it was held that the indictment, made indispensable by the Fifth Amendment , and the trial by jury guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment , were not privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States, as those words were used in the Fourteenth Amendment ... the decision rested upon the ground that this clause of the Fourteenth Amendment did not forbid the States to abridge the personal rights enumerated in the first eight Amendments, because these rights were not within the meaning of the clause 'privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States.' ... We conclude, therefore, that the exemption from compulsory self-incrimination is not a privilege or immunity of National citizenship guaranteed by this clause of the Fourteenth Amendment against abridgement by the States...

"... it is possible that some of the personal rights safeguarded by the first eight Amendments against National action may also be safeguarded against State action, because a denial of them would be a denial of due process of law ... If this is so, it is not because those rights are enumerated in the first eight Amendments, but because they are of such a nature that they are included in the conception of due process of law."
Twining v. New Jersey, 211 U.S. 78, 98-99, 29 S.Ct. 14, 53 L.Ed. 97.

Therefore, any reference to Amendments One through Eight, (when applied to the State, or through purview of the Fourteenth Amendment in any way) replaces the common law thereof with martial law. This is pure theft of our God given common law birthright.

The first Section of the Fourteenth Amendment's purpose is to:

1. Convert common-law Citizens to statutory citizens and statutory persons under martial law rule; and,

2. Convert common-law remedies, principles, and maxims in Articles One through Ten in Amendment to martial law remedies, principles, and maxims through the Fourteenth Amendment ; and,

3. Convert common-law rights ownership of property to martial law confiscation of property, in which a private citizen is not capable of protecting his property under the common-law; and,

4. Completely remove the common-law jurisdiction from the original people and their

Posterity and convert them to Statutory Persons who can be brought within purview of the

Fourteenth Amendment under national, international, martial law rule; and,

5. Completely destroy the restrictions on those not of the white race to enter our Nation and dislodge the people mention in the Preamble as the governing body of this white Nation; and,

6. Completely destroy the ability of the said people to govern by allowing those not of our race to hold elected Office, both State and National.

All this is done with the intention of breaking down State sovereignty by an increased power of the national side of the United States government with a corresponding loss of power for State sovereignty on the federal side of the United States. This leaves the existence of the United States government less dependent (or not dependent at all) upon the existence of the several States.

The Fourteenth Amendment set the stage for the destruction of "white rule" under Christian doctrine in the United States of America.

Ultimately, they will not succeed, as God has designated this land for the regathering of the twelve tribes of Israel to become a mighty Nation again, and so it will be as God has proclaimed.

This all come from a very interesting read from a Judge in the "Supreme Court for the State of Utah" in 1968 and is at this site - I suggest EVERYONE read this for more understanding of how the 14th Amendment was FORCED on the American People. "

http://www.constitution.org/14ll/14t...ment_dyett.pdf
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