Nonsense, since one cannot be a state citizen without having US citizenship, one can be a resident, but that is all
Oh really! Since my statement was and I certainly haven’t retracted it, and it has been far from refuted.
I gather from your comments, that I am supposed to give way because Palani, who while apparently quite capable at cut and paste still has not mastered elementary vocabulary, and is still incapable of comprehending what he has cribbed. What amazes me is that he managed to get the right two definitions, and still cannot read plain English when it smacks him in the face, and then proceeds to make the statement “Aliens cannot be naturalized by states because only the United States of America can declare its' own citizens. Why look for any deeper meaning than this?” when the very definitions he copied contradicts him. And then proceeds to make the following equally silly pronouncement, “Per the above definitions the states never had and never will have the power to naturalize. In the same sense the United States as a legal person has no power to dictate to the states who may or may not be citizens of that state.”
The states had, up until the act of union, full and plenary authority and power to determine who was or was not a citizen of that state. That authority expired at the act of union, per previous references. Naturalization is, was, and always has been the act of making an alien a citizen of a state. Since some of the first legislation of the new nation concerned the process of naturalization for the new nation, it would seem that they too disagree with your take on the subject.
In actuality, the United States, could and did dictate to the states the composition of the body politic, in that they dictated who could or could not vote for federal offices, and what the criteria and requirements for citizenship was. A republic is a very fluid form of government as was proven by the varying ways that the states formed their governments.
Do you have any concept of what expatriation is? Apparently not from the way you attempt to use it. It certainly has little if anything to do with taxation.
Expatriation:(Merriam Webster online dictionary)
:to leave one's native country to live elsewhere; also : to renounce allegiance to one's native country:
In plain English to pick one's self up and move to a different country, generally with the intent to become a citizen of the new country, with the implication of giving up one's natural citizenship.
No, I don’t expect you will, since it would destroy your little fantasy, not my problem. There are in fact NO state laws regarding naturalization for the simple fact that it is not an authority of the states. As I pointed out, the naturalization authority rests squarely with the federal govt, not the states, and I provided the source.
There are so many inaccuracies in this post I don't know where to begin.
How you want this served up ND; over easy or extra crispy?
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Without Prejudice.
The 14th ammendment in part copies word for word the U.S. Immigration Act or w/e it was from 1790s. It was not made for "African-Americans". The most unique addition that was made was for conquested rebel States. Funny no matter how much I have posted to show this clearly even scans from United States' States at Large, some just want to ignore the truth and keep ranting on with the distractive propoganda which just further obscures the truth. The U.S. Civil War was *said* to be about something which it was not about that was because it was deemed by someone or someones that you didnt need to know clearly what it was really about. That is why they want you huffing and puffing about Africans and slavery and getting distracted. It was about money..banking. It had a lot more to do with the War of 1812 than most might think. Those who can take their heads out where the sun dont shine who bother to seek the truth will likely be edified positively.
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Without Prejudice.
The 14th ammendment in part copies word for word the U.S. Immigration Act or w/e it was from 1790s. It was not made for "African-Americans". The most unique addition that was made was for conquested rebel States. Funny no matter how much I have posted to show this clearly even scans from United States' States at Large, some just want to ignore the truth and keep ranting on with the distractive propoganda which just further obscures the truth. The U.S. Civil War was *said* to be about something which it was not about that was because it was deemed by someone or someones that you didnt need to know clearly what it was really about. That is why they want you huffing and puffing about Africans and slavery and getting distracted. It was about money..banking. It had a lot more to do with the War of 1812 than most might think. Those who can take their heads out where the sun dont shine who bother to seek the truth will likely be edified positively.
I agree in so much that one should not get distracted by the black emancipated slaves being the object of governmental immunities and privileges newly coined - Civil Rights. State of US, these citizens of the US were even coined with Status. It certainly was about banking and the War of 1812 - an undecided conflict was much more likely about admiralty and abolishing the de jure Thirteenth Amendement that was heading for a place in the Constitution.
Stressing the Fourteenth Amendment was about freed black slaves is like paying particular attention to a knight on the chessboard. Sometimes it behooves you to stress a particular piece but strategy depends on how the metaphysics interact among all the rules around the pieces and chessboard.
Interestingly Abraham Lincoln prized an honorary gift, a walking cane, and it passed down through family finally to be donated with his gavel to the Freemason Museum in Colorado Springs. They have since taken down this interesting display... At least when I thought to get a clearer photo, it was gone. So I typed it up from what I could read.
The Masons were a key role in saving the Fed banks from the 20-year charter expiration in 1933. And this was done by using the Fourteenth Amendment verbiage about the singular corporation the United States - subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
So Weis is right, if you want to pay particular attention to the pawns in the game - the freed black slaves at that time, you will probably miss a lot of the game.
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David Merrill.
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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).
Thank you fulltitle for another especially good one of your always edifying posts.
I have added some comments and thoughts your words bring to mind.
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Without Prejudice.
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The 14th ammendment in part copies word for word the U.S. Immigration Act or w/e it was from 1790s.
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It was not made for "African-Americans".
There were none.
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The most unique addition that was made was for conquested rebel States.
As well as the other conquested States, if not more so.
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Funny no matter how much I have posted to show this clearly even scans from United States' States at Large, some just want to ignore the truth and keep ranting on with the distractive propoganda which just further obscures the truth.
That is what propagandists do.
Fortunately this forum is only inhabited by the cheap third-rate pavement artist variety, who, while persistent, are laughably quite transparent.
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The U.S. Civil War was *said* to be about something which it was not about that was because it was deemed by someone or someones that you didnt need to know clearly what it was really about.
It is insured, LITERALLY, to prevent knowledge.
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That is why they want you huffing and puffing about Africans and slavery and getting distracted.
"IT" is ALWAYS about "the money," especially "banking" which has to do with swindling, and "money-substitute."
The original colonial attempted secession "was about money..banking."
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It had a lot more to do with the War of 1812 than most might think.
That conflagration and the totality of its actual "causes" "effects" and "reasons" is one of the most carefully guarded "secrets" of "American" "history."
If one reads the "treaty" "ending" the "revolutionary" "war" will one find that the "loser" dictated the "terms" of a, notably, surrenderless "treaty," and that one of the terms had to do with an "in perpetuity" "condition" regarding "possession" of the Mississippi River?
What is the Mississippi River, where is it, and what part did it play in the so called "war" of 1812?
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Those who can take their heads out where the sun dont shine who bother to seek the truth will likely be edified positively.
There are very few who come here with clean hands, courage, and a whole "heart" who will not be trying earnestly to accomplish this operation.
There was no revolution, it was, at most, secession.
The "winners" were, in fact, "losers," or at best, merely "represented" by "replacements."
The "interests" were those of the bank.
It is still precisely so.
There is a "department" of the so-called "executive Power," that has been "ceded" more "Powers" than the "legislative," "executive," and "judicial" combined.
That is most likely how and why DC is an entirely FOREIGN country, to any union of States united.
Its lieges ("vassal or subject owing allegiance and services to a lord or sovereign..." "...loyal subject to a monarch."), are FOREIGNORS, relative to the domestic population of the particular continental land mass which it has conquered and now occupies by junta.
If one wants to "learn" from history pay attention to what is not mentioned by "academic" "historians."
That is why the creator gave people brains in order to use its mind.
Flag of the British East India Company, 1707–1801
Grand Union Flag ("Continental Colors").
Flag of the BATFE/FBI/SECRET SERVICE?
How (and why) do homes of men and women of the middle North American continental domestic population become "compounds?"
Notorial dissent wrote:
Expatriation:(Merriam Webster online dictionary)
:to leave one's native country to live elsewhere; also : to renounce allegiance to one's native country:
In plain English to pick one's self up and move to a different country, generally with the intent to become a citizen of the new country, with the implication of giving up one's natural citizenship.
That is a definition for expatriation, but not the only one. How about I step it up a notch for you, Notorial?
EXPATRIATION: The voluntary act of abandoning one's country, and becoming the citizen of another. The voluntary renunciation or abandonment of nationality and allegiance.
ABANDON. To desert, surrender, forsake, or cede. To relinquish or give up with intent of never again resuming one's right or interest.
-Source: Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed.
Allow me to repost these again since you may have skimmed over them instead of reading them. I'll bold them this time for your easier reading:
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"Both before and after the Fourteenth Amendment to the
federal Constitution, it has not been necessary for a
person to be a citizen of the United States in order to
be a citizen of his state."
[Crosse v. Board of Supervisors of Elections]
[221 A.2d 431 (1966)]
"But a person may be a citizen of a particular state
and not a citizen of the United States. To hold
otherwise would be to deny to the state the highest
exercise of its sovereignty -- the right to declare who
are its citizens."
[State v. Fowler, 41 La. Ann. 380, 6 S. 602 (1889)]
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It certainly was about banking and the War of 1812 - an undecided conflict was much more likely about admiralty and abolishing the de jure Thirteenth Amendement that was heading for a place in the Constitution.
Bingo!
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If any citizen of the United States shall Accept, claim, receive or retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."
Ratification of said 13th Amendment:
Maryland [1810],
Charter of First Bank of the United States is cancelled or expires! [1811]
Kentucky [1811], Ohio [1811], Delaware [1811], Pennsyvlania [1811], New Jersey [1811], New York[1811--Votes against], Vermont [1811], Tennessee [1811], Georgia [1811], North Carolina [1811], Mass. [1812],
** WAR OF 1812 ** (June 18, 1812)
New Hampshire [Dec. 1812],
Conn. [1813--Against]
So. Carolina [1813--Against]
Rhode Island [1814--Against]
Second Bank of the United States chartered [1816]
Virginia [1819-Pass]
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Stressing the Fourteenth Amendment was about freed black slaves is like paying particular attention to a knight on the chessboard.
Perhaps the propagandist know that it would obscure revelation...perhaps not unlike being encouraged to seek your way out of a dense forest by getting on your knees and using a magnifying glass and of course to not look up at any time.
More about banking....
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The Bank of North America was chartered on December 31, 1781 by the Congress of the Confederation and opened on January 7, 1782, at the prodding of Superintendent of Finance Robert Morris, and was rechartered in 1784. This was thus the first modern United States bank. It was succeeded by the First Bank of the United States.
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Robert Morris deposited large quantities of gold and silver coin and bills of exchange obtained through loans from the Netherlands and France. He then issued new paper currency backed by this supply. He also managed to meet the interest rates on the debt which he estimated to be about thirty million dollars. The Bank of North America along with the First Bank of the United States and The Bank of New York obtained the first shares in the New York Stock Exchange.
...{the Bank of North America} continues to operate under national bank charter #1, presently held by Wachovia Bank, N.A.. Wachovia still operates a branch at the northwest corner of 6th and Chestnut in Philadelphia, which was the original site of the Bank of North America. This branch is the longest continuously operating branch bank in the United States, operating in that location since 1781.
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[quote=mrg]That is why the creator gave people brains in order to use its mind.
=] Which perha[s is why those waging war against mankind like flouride so much?
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Flag of the BATFE/FBI/SECRET SERVICE?
The United States Attorney General was made head of "Department of Justice" [courtesy of 1871] which organization if one examines closely, the US Navy JAG is operating right there inside the USDoJ along with Treasury solicitor or w/e. What u knoe...DEA and US Navy and BATF all cooperatin' in waging the War On Drugs [i.e. war contraband]--it just might just might make sense. There were tanks there because it was a military operation. But use of CS gas was a no-no.
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Use of CS in war is prohibited under the terms of the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention (signed in 1993) because it could trigger retaliation with more toxic agents such as nerve gas. Domestic police use of CS, however, is legal in many countries.
And guess what the US Marines aren't police.
Thusly, at the time of that that photo, I suspect they were operating under the US Navy JAG [i.e. US Marines = US Navy land soldiers] side of things and just maybe JANET RENO did not realize this until after the US Navy / US Marines or whoever pumped the 'compound' full of a chemical called "CS gas" in violation of a Chemical Weapons Convention [1979?]. Oh so burn the place down and cover it up, right? Remember MRG they are maybe only *practicing law*.
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How (and why) do homes of men and women of the middle North American continental domestic population become "compounds?"
See David Merrill's reference to TWEA. David Koresh apparently had a FFL (i.e. TWEA).
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As well as the other conquested States, if not more so.
Don't forget--Iraq has also been undergoing reconstruction. Buzz was that the attack on Iraq was also per TWEA. The term "Reconstruction" should be quite familar. Even "Reconstruction Act". Sound familar dont it?
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