Renouncing Citizenship in IRS Case?

[Tigron-X]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Of course Protrust is not going to tell us his secret identity because he knows that what he's doing is not legal and that he'd be in deep trouble if the IRS ever noticed him.

I'm sure it's quite lawful though. No need to stir the waters as it were.

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by gldskr

The dude dealt in FRN's plain and simple. As such he was subject to the IRS, his status was irrellevant. He could live on the moon and it wouldn't matter.

gldskr

Yeah, I guess if your gig is a financial planner, you are pretty much digging a hole for yourself

It is a double standard to play the money changers game, and then try to say , "I quit"' all the while still playing their game

You can't have your cake and eat it too

[Lawdog]

Originally Posted by protrust

Indeed freedomtocontract, again Shoonra argues off point. Myself and several others have NOT paid income tax, filed tax returns successfully since '98...AFTER we properly expatriated from the US. The IRS doesn't have any problem with non resident aliens living and working in the US at all. In fact, they (IRS) have several forms available for those such as myself to use or even create myself so long as they meet the minimum requirements of law. We have friendships we folks from several other countries that live, work, own businesses here in the US and pay NO TAXES whatsoever...there is not even a requirement to complete a tax return if you know where to look in the code and regulations.

That's a fascinating theory you have there.

It's a shame there isn't a court in the land that agrees with you.

[trooper2ls]

Originally Posted by gldskr

The dude dealt in FRN's plain and simple. As such he was subject to the IRS, his status was irrellevant. He could live on the moon and it wouldn't matter.
gldskr

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

This guy had know idea about the proper laws to invoke, nor did he establish an administrative remedy PRIOR TO the action

If you are going to wait till the last minute to do something as drastic as status asseveration, at the time of sentencing; then you may as well just say that you are the Easter Bunny

Two very good points. Don't deal in their exchange medium and create administrative remedy before jumping ship. You have got to make sure there is a raft down there before you jump off the boat.

Originally Posted by protrust

Myself and several others have NOT paid income tax, filed tax returns successfully since '98...AFTER we properly expatriated from the US. The IRS doesn't have any problem with non resident aliens living and working in the US at all. In fact, they (IRS) have several forms available for those such as myself to use or even create myself so long as they meet the minimum requirements of law. We have friendships we folks from several other countries that live, work, own businesses here in the US and pay NO TAXES whatsoever...there is not even a requirement to complete a tax return if you know where to look in the code and regulations.

Everyone pays direct taxes (i.e. Sales Tax) unless you use a bater system amongst neighbors. (Like we do here)

When dealing with the IRS and creating the proper administrative remedy ... you will receive a letter from them verifying their understanding of your status of non-liability and instructing you to discontinue filing a return. I wouldn't recommend breaking from "accepted practice" till you have this in your hands on their letterhead. You are asking for trouble otherwise.

..J

[Friendsplacect]

Originally Posted by Friendsplacect

Shoonra how come I never see money laundering aliens getting prosecuted by the IRS? Can you pull up any of those cases on your screen?

Shoonra can you answer my question?

[Shoonra]

I do not, offhand, recall court decisions that call attention to the different nationalities of money launderers. I do know that newspapers have reported that some Central and South Americans have been convicted in US courts.

I suspect that if the money launderers were operating outside the US, or could flee the US quickly, they'd be prosecuted (it at all) by whatever country they were in.

[yebliker]

Shoonra-
The whole point is that a person can be a nonresident alien with regards to the US (as defined in 26 USC) but not be a citizen of the US territories, or other areas of exclusive US jurisdiction. The US has more power in Guam, for example, than it has in Kentucky, when it comes to taxing. The definition at 26 USC is includes all of the US territories/areas of jurisdiction. This is why someone from seemingly another country can be charged.
-Yebliker

[Shoonra]

Although actual income from another country (and I mean a real foreign country, not "the Republic of Kansas" or something like that) can require a complicated bit of arithmetic, the generality is that a non-citizen who stays inside the US for more than 185 days (not necessarily consecutive) is treated as a resident alien and required to pay the same income tax as a US citizen.

[ezrhythm]

Originally Posted by Lawdog

That's a fascinating theory you have there.

It's a shame there isn't a court in the land that agrees with you.

The court doesn't get a chance to "agree" because no court action becomes of it.

AWAY FROM HERE WITH ANTI SUI JURIS POSTS!

[ezrhythm]

Originally Posted by trooper2ls

Everyone pays direct taxes (i.e. Sales Tax) unless you use a bater system amongst neighbors. (Like we do here)

Or have "re-sellers" status with wholesalers.