Another very interesting discussion by Mr. Becraft.
18 USC 9 The term “vessel of the United States”, as used in this title, means a vessel belonging in whole or in part to the United States, or any citizen thereof, or any corporation created by or under the laws of the United States, or of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof.
We must remember that many words used in law are words and terms of art.
In order to properly define the term “vessel of the United States” we have to properly define “vessel” which is not done in the statute section.
In the above phrase “vessel of the United States” is defined as a “vessel” that belongs to someone or something and is created under certain types of law.
As such vessels are legal created instruments.
They are not God created, like spirit filled people.
Though, the Scriptures often use the term vessel to identify people in an earthy state of being (earthly vessels).
Much of the law and the use of words contained within it have their root in the Scriptures.
The Scriptures use the term vessel quite often, hardly ever as a ship on the high seas.
It has its meaning coming from the Greek word skeuov, skeuos, (skyoo'-os) which is of uncertain affinity; a vessel, implement, equipment or apparatus (literally or figuratively) (Strong’s).
The term vessel can be used in law literally or figuratively.
It is not to be construed only literally as a ship on the high seas. A vessel can be on or part of another vessel involved in international transactions that involve the high seas.
In the above clause, the object of the “vessel of the United States” is that which “belongs” to the United States, any citizen (14th amendment) thereof, or any corporation.
This is typical government jabberwocky of color of law and terms of art.
That is why it is mandatory to understand what Lewis Carroll was writing about in Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass.
What gibberish! A “vessel of the United States” is a “vessel”. The meaning of the clause is that these entities “belong” to that which they “create” under said laws.
To me the Individual Master File that the IRS uses to gain jurisdiction over spirit filled people, by use of a SSN, can turn someone or their actions into a vessel in that they accept the association to the artificial entity through implied consent and contracts.
I believe that the special numbers created and used by agencies have the ability to create vessels via contracts which also can be vessels in part or in whole.
A bill of exchange can be a vessel or part of a vessel.
Legal fictions (artificial entities) are vessels that are privileged in that they are created under color of law.
The 1040 form can be used as a vessel or substantiate the existence of a vessel.
A corporation is a vessel through the use of an EIN, created through an SS5 and associated to the Business Master File.
What is interesting to me is that most of what is decoded in IMF’s and BMF’s has to do with off-shore type transactions.
Is it any wonder that Maritime and Admiralty play a part in all of this legal hocus pocus? I remember in my insurance classes that application of many domestic insurance laws and securities had much to do with Maritime law.
As S has many times explained, it comes down to status and jurisdiction.
Is there something we have done with the ink pen that has changed our status and brought us into a jurisdiction that precludes us from using the original intent of the law under the original Constitution?
Are there presumptions being made by the government and their courts as to our status?
It is very important to understand the difference between a 14th amendment federal citizen and an Article IV Citizen of the state and United States.
discussion by Mr. Becraft.
As much as I would like to say I thought of it I cant. but a good read
Though you do not use quotation marks in the introduction of that writing, you do use inference to it having been made by Larry Becraft. That is well and fine, as long as we can agree that his writing begins at "Another very interesting discussion by Mr. Becraft.", and ends just prior to "discussion by Mr. Becraft.", then we have a series of comments presumably made by Mr Becraft, that can be discussed.
In view of the presumption made above, I would only comment on the one fact that is self evident in the writing;
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Originally Posted by LarryBecraft
I believe that the special numbers created and used by agencies have the ability to create vessels via contracts which also can be vessels in part or in whole.
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I have placed an emphasis on the first two words of his comment. "I believe". Beliefs are something that cannot be proven with physical or otherwise scientific evidence. Therefore, his 'beliefs' are incorporeal and are thus unable to touch the physical. Those 'belief's are nebulous and without form.
Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.
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Originally Posted by kothjjh
Let’s Define Vessel
Another very interesting discussion by Mr. Becraft.
18 USC 9 The term “vessel of the United States”, as used in this title, means a vessel belonging in whole or in part to the United States, or any citizen thereof, or any corporation created by or under the laws of the United States, or of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof.
We must remember that many words used in law are words and terms of art.
In order to properly define the term “vessel of the United States” we have to properly define “vessel” which is not done in the statute section.
In the above phrase “vessel of the United States” is defined as a “vessel” that belongs to someone or something and is created under certain types of law.
As such vessels are legal created instruments.
They are not God created, like spirit filled people.
Though, the Scriptures often use the term vessel to identify people in an earthy state of being (earthly vessels).
Much of the law and the use of words contained within it have their root in the Scriptures.
The Scriptures use the term vessel quite often, hardly ever as a ship on the high seas.
It has its meaning coming from the Greek word skeuov, skeuos, (skyoo'-os) which is of uncertain affinity; a vessel, implement, equipment or apparatus (literally or figuratively) (Strong’s).
The term vessel can be used in law literally or figuratively.
It is not to be construed only literally as a ship on the high seas. A vessel can be on or part of another vessel involved in international transactions that involve the high seas.
In the above clause, the object of the “vessel of the United States” is that which “belongs” to the United States, any citizen (14th amendment) thereof, or any corporation.
This is typical government jabberwocky of color of law and terms of art.
That is why it is mandatory to understand what Lewis Carroll was writing about in Alice in Wonderland and Alice Through the Looking Glass.
What gibberish! A “vessel of the United States” is a “vessel”. The meaning of the clause is that these entities “belong” to that which they “create” under said laws.
To me the Individual Master File that the IRS uses to gain jurisdiction over spirit filled people, by use of a SSN, can turn someone or their actions into a vessel in that they accept the association to the artificial entity through implied consent and contracts.
I believe that the special numbers created and used by agencies have the ability to create vessels via contracts which also can be vessels in part or in whole.
A bill of exchange can be a vessel or part of a vessel.
Legal fictions (artificial entities) are vessels that are privileged in that they are created under color of law.
The 1040 form can be used as a vessel or substantiate the existence of a vessel.
A corporation is a vessel through the use of an EIN, created through an SS5 and associated to the Business Master File.
What is interesting to me is that most of what is decoded in IMF’s and BMF’s has to do with off-shore type transactions.
Is it any wonder that Maritime and Admiralty play a part in all of this legal hocus pocus? I remember in my insurance classes that application of many domestic insurance laws and securities had much to do with Maritime law.
As S has many times explained, it comes down to status and jurisdiction.
Is there something we have done with the ink pen that has changed our status and brought us into a jurisdiction that precludes us from using the original intent of the law under the original Constitution?
Are there presumptions being made by the government and their courts as to our status?
It is very important to understand the difference between a 14th amendment federal citizen and an Article IV Citizen of the state and United States.
discussion by Mr. Becraft.
As much as I would like to say I thought of it I cant. but a good read
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Summa Ratio est quae pro Religione facit.
If ever the laws of God and man are at variance, the former are to be obeyed in derogation of the latter.
'Many are the plans in a man's heart,
but it's the Lord's purpose that prevails."
Proverbs 19:21.
"The most important office in a democracy is the office of citizen."
Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1916-1939) referring to the responsibility of voters.
Last edited by Jerry Pitts : 06-30-2008 at 08:26 AM.
Can you provide a link to a superior law in which your interpretation has been enacted? If you can, please provide it. When I say 'superior law', I am not referencing 'case law', as there are other law which are grander, have more enforcement capability, and of which the judiciary (under the correct circumstances) will stay away from handling such matters.
Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.
Jerry I think most of the replies here has answered most of what you asked, I'm not good at explanations,
The Superior law to me would be Gods law, As I was brought forth from my mothers womb from that dark place inside, into the light of this world, and after taking that first breath of life, I had no attachments to the flesh and blood body, until they labeled me a vessel of burth, and attached to it a "Certificate of Birth" There was no freedom after that point until one grew knowledgeable of the truth which was so well hidden from most, but the clues were always there, one must seek the truth to find it, I believe the SSN labels you as the "CITIZEN" and bounds the body to all their laws and statues, if you claim to have one then you must live within their system of bondage.
Jerry I think most of the replies here has answered most of what you asked, I'm not good at explanations,
The Superior law to me would be Gods law, As I was brought forth from my mothers womb from that dark place inside, into the light of this world, and after taking that first breath of life, I had no attachments to the flesh and blood body, until they labeled me a vessel of burth, and attached to it a "Certificate of Birth" There was no freedom after that point until one grew knowledgeable of the truth which was so well hidden from most, but the clues were always there, one must seek the truth to find it, I believe the SSN labels you as the "CITIZEN" and bounds the body to all their laws and statues, if you claim to have one then you must live within their system of bondage.
I hope my explanation is clear enough.
Explicitly clear. Thoroughly acknowledged, and accepted at face value.
Thank you good Brother and may the Lord guide you in your path.
Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.
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Summa Ratio est quae pro Religione facit.
If ever the laws of God and man are at variance, the former are to be obeyed in derogation of the latter.
'Many are the plans in a man's heart,
but it's the Lord's purpose that prevails."
Proverbs 19:21.
"The most important office in a democracy is the office of citizen."
Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1916-1939) referring to the responsibility of voters.
A view from the past, regarding the duties of Citizens. Please go here and read the excerpted text and also find a link to the source material. The document will open in pdf style.
It is very informative, and shows a close relationship to what is happening in the world around us with regard to the operation of this government known as United States.
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Summa Ratio est quae pro Religione facit.
If ever the laws of God and man are at variance, the former are to be obeyed in derogation of the latter.
'Many are the plans in a man's heart,
but it's the Lord's purpose that prevails."
Proverbs 19:21.
"The most important office in a democracy is the office of citizen."
Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1916-1939) referring to the responsibility of voters.
A view from the past, regarding the duties of Citizens. Please go here and read the excerpted text and also find a link to the source material. The document will open in pdf style.
It is very informative, and shows a close relationship to what is happening in the world around us with regard to the operation of this government known as United States.
Please read the attached file. It is rather short, and then open the second attachment for the entire booklet published by the Pennsylvania Bar.
Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.
__________________
Summa Ratio est quae pro Religione facit.
If ever the laws of God and man are at variance, the former are to be obeyed in derogation of the latter.
'Many are the plans in a man's heart,
but it's the Lord's purpose that prevails."
Proverbs 19:21.
"The most important office in a democracy is the office of citizen."
Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1916-1939) referring to the responsibility of voters.
