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Old 05-27-2008, 01:39 PM
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I got detained.... again

Well I was out for a walk as I always do and I was Open Carrying my firearm, I was up by Bed and Bath when 3 cop cars stopped on all sides of me and they got out, weapons drawn on me and yelling at me, I got on the ground and they took my weapon then hand cuffed me.

They patted me down, they asked me about 20 time if I have any other weapons I said " I am unsure, I do not consent to search"

They then told me they got a call of a guy walking with a gun on his hip, ( completely legal with there laws)

I then gave me the 30min speech why I shouldnt carry and that is there job to protect me, I replied "no its not". Then they started asking me my info, I told them my name without my family name and they wanted everything else DOB SSN Address ect ect, I replied " thats my business not yours" after saying it 30 times they gave me my weapon and left. I reloaded and went home

I figured it was all for show,

The last cop that stopped me, got out of his car and
and this happened

Cop- Nathan right?

Me- Yep

Cop- we've contacted you before?

Me- yea but I contacted you guys first (email the Chief)

Cop- yea you did

Cop- ok you know not to reach for it right?

Me- as long as you don't go for yours first

Me- why did you stop me?

Cop- I just wanted to ask you some questions about what your doing and were you have been. ( as he is pulling out his note pad)

Me- am I free to go?

Cop- Yea, you don't want to talk?

Me- No, thanks (I shook his hand and walked away)


I have been open carrying for awhile I hold no state ID SSN or any other contracts with the Government or state. I have been living sovereign, freedom is nice

If you don't know your rights, you dont have any.
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:23 PM
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Is it REALLY the cops job to protect you???

A State's failure to protect an individual against private violence generally does not constitute a
violation of the Due Process Clause, because the Clause imposes no duty on the State to provide
members of the general public with adequate protective services.
The Clause is phrased as a limitation
on the State's power to act, not as a guarantee of certain minimal levels of safety and security; while it
forbids the State itself to deprive individuals of life, liberty, and property without due process of law, its
language cannot fairly be read to impose an affirmative obligation on the State to ensure that those
interests do not come to harm through other means.
DESHANEY v. WINNEBAGO CTY. SOC. SERVS. DEPT.,
489 U.S. 189 (1989)




ANSWER: I DONT THINK SO!!! You best keep on packin' that iron of yours. You might end up dead should you stop! Suicide by cop or something like that.
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Old 05-27-2008, 06:58 PM
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CONGRATULATIONS, YOU STUCK TO YOUR GUNS!!! (So to speak)

All because someone called in was why they were so aggressive. Now they have something for the report to help maintain the department's monetary subsidy.
Other than that, yes it was all for show.

(Gotta deter people from exercising their right to carry. If more people started to exercise their right then there might not be as much of a demand for the police department to maintain law and order. AND then the department would LOSE money! Can't have that now can we.) Wouldn't that be a hoot!
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:46 PM
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A State's failure to protect an individual against private violence generally does not constitute a
violation of the Due Process Clause, because the Clause imposes no duty on the State to provide
members of the general public with adequate protective services.
The Clause is phrased as a limitation
on the State's power to act, not as a guarantee of certain minimal levels of safety and security; while it
forbids the State itself to deprive individuals of life, liberty, and property without due process of law, its
language cannot fairly be read to impose an affirmative obligation on the State to ensure that those
interests do not come to harm through other means.
DESHANEY v. WINNEBAGO CTY. SOC. SERVS. DEPT.,
489 U.S. 189 (1989)

Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982) (no federal constitutional requirement that police provide protection)

Calogrides v. Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (Ala. 1985); Cal Govt. Code 845 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Calogrides v. Mobile, 846 (no liability for failure to arrest or to retain arrested person in custody)

Davidson v. Westminster, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185, Cal. Rep. 252; 649 P.2d 894 (1982) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Stone v. State 106 Cal.App.3d 924, 165 Cal Rep. 339 (1980) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C.App. 1983) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C.App 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla. App. 1st Dist.), cert. denied 354 So.2d 985 (Fla. 1977); Ill. Rec. Stat. 4-102 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Keane v. Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1st Dist. 1968) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Jamison v. Chicago, 48 Ill. App. 3d 567 (1st Dist. 1977) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E.2d 871 (Ind. App.) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Silver v. Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (Minn. 1969) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Wuetrich V. Delia, 155 N.J. Super. 324, 326, 382, A.2d 929, 930 cert. denied 77 N.J. 486, 391 A.2d 500 (1978) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Chapman v. Philadelphia, 290 Pa. Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753 (Penn. 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Morris v. Musser, 84 Pa. Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937 (1984) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)
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Old 05-28-2008, 03:10 PM
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FBIman:

It's good that you did not get arrested...it's a pain in the ass to arrange for bail...but might I make a suggestion?

Do as I did...get a license to carry a concealed handgun in public. (Assuming your state issues them; most do.) That way, you can be armed against potential attackers without having people call the cops saying, "There's a guy with a gun over here!" They won't be able to see the gun when you carry it concealed.
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:28 PM
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^^ [quote] I have been open carrying for awhile I hold no state ID SSN or any other contracts with the Government or state. I have been living sovereign, freedom is nice. If you don't know your rights, you dont have any.


FBIMan, in what geographical area do you dwell??

Thanks for the cites Shuftin...


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Old 05-28-2008, 08:36 PM
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the CCW

the CCW is like, jews lead to the slaughter


"yes master I want to carry a gun" (in a old slave voice)

and why was I lucky I didnt get arrested, I didnt do anything
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:37 PM
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Im in the Kansas the land
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:36 PM
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Im in the Kansas the land
Without Prejudiuce.
Ah someone has been paying attention.
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Old 05-29-2008, 11:20 AM
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