Cancellatura, Sovereignty recognition, Common Law Courts, etc - Page 3

#21 02-27-2004, 07:11 PM

The people in Nevada don't want the video or mp3's of Harry's talk in Vegas last Oct 2003 to be distributed to anyone. They are recalling all copies we currently have. They want to control the paperework and process from misrepresentation, changes and exploitation by PAYtriots for profit.

So, I'm losing my copy of this stuff and can't recommend any other source to get it from.

They DID give ONE alternative source of information - the Minnesota common-law court who has a web-site here:
http://www.commonlawvenue.com/

goldphoenix · #22 03-07-2004, 06:52 AM

Good morning all,

Does anyone happen to have additional info on these documents and this process?

One of my off the top of my head questions is, what if you have lived and contracted in various states with gov? do you send these documents to every single agency? and include every state in the forms?

Peace,

goldphoenix

#23 03-07-2004, 04:48 PM

Contact the Minnesota www page for more info on the process: http://www.commonlawvenue.com

#24 03-07-2004, 05:21 PM

todd, do you send these documents to the secretary of state in d.c. or can you send them to your state secretary of state. this may sound like a stupid question, but after doing this stuff, you will not be able to claim any social security benefits and what would be your citizenship status? lastly, if you cant get to a common law court physically, can the process still be done?

#25 03-07-2004, 09:45 PM

You are assuming something re social security that isn't true. Wait till you hear more about this before jumping to conclusions about what can and cannot be done. I don't know the details, but the social security benefits are not "cut off" like you think. You paid into the ss trust fund, so to assume you will be cut off is jumping to conclusions on what we previously thought was true....

#26 03-08-2004, 11:17 AM

My questions after reading the documents goes back to 1999 when i first heard about this process. Is it feasable to expatriate and do not have a means of making a living if you dont already have your own business. I like the process, but total expatriation and canceling all the documents places more of a day to day burden on you and thats not counting any potential legal trouble that you may encounter and have to fight. I thought that was one of the main reasons that people went to the whole ucc1 filing stuff so that they could theoritically become sovereign, but keep using the ssn and stuff as secured party (seperate entity). Is there a way to cancel those contracts with the government and work without hassle? I totally agree that if you are to be sovereign, you cannot half do it, but i havent seen any changes in the ability of people to make a living and travel, etc. without having to give up and go back into the contracts. Lastly, Todd, do not take any of this as a negative, im in total agreement with this process, and i know that all things in life are not guaranteed. Im just wondering if there is some education available that will answer these questions that i did not find in the documents. ( i found my answer to the travel question).

#27 03-08-2004, 11:59 AM

Those are all valid concerns and illustrate the problem very well. Since all we learned in public school was how to be a corporate wage-slave on the global plantation...many people are not ready to become Sovereigns. What is Sovereignty? Self-reliance, Self-responsibility, Self-governance, etc? If so, many of your questions are answered in the pursuit after these things...

To your questions:

1. What is stopping you from 'making a living' after you have expatriated from the corp STATE and repatriated into the Country of Nevada (or whatever state republic you are in)? Is it a fear based upon false perceptions that there is no other way to work without a J-O-B in this world?

2. What sort of burden must a Sovereign take on? Isn't one of the BENEFITS of getting out of all contracts with the Corporate State an ELIMINATION of your so called "legal trouble"?

3. The UCC-1 redemption process is only HALF the solution. It secures a superior COMMERCIAL claim - but does nothing for canceling the contracts. A UCC-1 does you no good unless you know how to aggressively persue your superior claim and go after those "claim-jumping" (i..e. trespass) on your contract (i..e Security Agreement). If you cancel all your old contracts with the STATE, where else can GOVT actor's gain the presumption of jurisdiction?

4. What benefit is there for using an SSN? If an alternative exists for functioning in commerce without the SSN - is it worth pursuing? The only choice you need to make is, are you willing to make the change and dedicate yourself to learning how to live without an SSN? There are many options available --that are revealed in the next two levels of education for those who make the transition to Sovereign status.

5. There are many options for employment without SS#s. Arrow Plastic's gives many employers who do no reporting to the IRS. Contract labor is another way. Becoming self-responsibile and fiscally self-reliant is also part of sovereignty. There are many ways one can make "increase" without a J-O-B.

6. There is a whole re-idenfitication process detailed in a previous message - re plates, passport, DL, etc. that is why this program is different - they have made the effort to deal with these many problems the sovereign faces once they find themselves outside the corporate STATE's jurisidiction. There are remedies for any situation that arises, but you must make the effort to continue on into the next two levels of education.

If I missed something, please ask again...

ThinkingWolf · #28 03-12-2004, 11:54 AM

Hello All:

I consider my status as fairly common: I live in a large metropolitan area, I work for a big company, I try to support my family with my earnings (minus my donations to the "government"), and I spend what little time I have left trying to stay healthy and impart some decent values onto my children. I have little conventional assets on which one might normally "retire."

I'd rather prepare for all likely outcomes before starting this process than be stuck somewhere that I cannot support my family.

I hear much talk of self-sufficiency, independent contractor, your own man, etcetera. It seems likely that I will not be able to maintain any earnings arrangement with my present employer as this process proceeds. Surely you all know of the employment difficulty in general, and specifically to my field which is information technology - programming.

Call me a drone or weak, and I admit that I am somewhat comfortable here (for now), but is suffrage the only route here? Is there a way to retain my relationship with my present employer, is it worth my time to speak with the company about their policies in this regard?

I am extremely worried about the inability to support my family AFTER undertaking this process.

Sincerely,

ThinkingWolf

Ice · #29 03-12-2004, 12:40 PM

You can approach your employer and discuss the issues... there is no harm in that.& We can supply you with the knowledge to present a good effort to impart an understanding of the law to your employer... you could even contract with&them to hold them harmless.

You have the option to deal with their response in any way you choose.

I will submit the above mentioned "contract" as soon as I can locate same which is stored on a disc somewhere.

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#30 03-12-2004, 01:01 PM

todd, a couple of questions. One, when looking at the expatriation documents Harry uses, you are expatraiting but there is no mention of where you are expatriating to. Shouldnt the document say you are expatraiting to the U.S.A. ? Lastly, if you have a apostille from the sos, shouldnt that be face evidence of your status without "calling the sos".