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Old 06-21-2007, 03:19 PM
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There are Two Classes of Citizen

There are Two Classes of Citizen

Which are you?

Power only flows downhill....

We the people (dejure state (only) Citizens) have un-a-lein-able rights from GOD.

US (14th amendment / slave) citizens recieve privileges from Congress, which can be revoked at any time.


It is quite clear, then, that there is a citizenship of the United States and a citizenship of a State, which are distinct from each other and which depend upon different characteristics or circumstances in the individual. - Slaughter House Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1873)


The first clause of the fourteenth amendment made negroes citizens of the United States, and citizens of the State in which they reside, and thereby created two classes of citizens, one of the United States** and the other of the state. - Cory et al. v. Carter, 48 Ind. 327 (1874)


We have in our political system a Government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of its own .... - U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)


One may be a citizen of a State and yet not a citizen of the United States. Thomasson v. State, 15 Ind. 449; Cory v. Carter, 48 Ind. 327 (17 Am. R. 738); McCarthy v. Froelke, 63 Ind. 507; In Re Wehlitz, 16 Wis. 443. - McDonel v. State, 90 Ind. 320, 323 (1883)


A person who is a citizen of the United States is necessarily a citizen of the particular state in which he resides. But a person may be a citizen of a particular state and not a citizen of the United States. To hold otherwise would be to deny to the state the highest exercise of its sovereignty, -- the right to declare who are its citizens. - State v. Fowler, 41 La. Ann. 380 6 S. 602 (1889)


The first clause of the fourteenth amendment of the federal Constitution made negroes citizens of the United States, and citizens of the state in which they reside, and thereby created two classes of citizens, one of the United States and the other of the state. - 4 Dec. Dig. '06, p. 1197, sec. 11 "Citizens" (1906)


There are, then, under our republican form of government, two classes of citizens, one of the United States and one of the state. One class of citizenship may exist in a person, without the other, as in the case of a resident of the District of Columbia; but both classes usually exist in the same person. - Gardina v. Board of Registrars, 160 Ala. 155, 48 S. 788, 791 (1909)


There is a distinction between citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a particular state, and a person may be the former without being the latter. - Alla v. Kornfeld, 84 F.Supp. 823 (1949)


A person may be a citizen of the United States and yet be not identified or identifiable as a citizen of any particular state. - Du Vernay v. Ledbetter 61 So.2d 573


... citizens of the District of Columbia were not granted the privilege of litigating in the federal courts on the ground of diversity of citizenship. Possibly no better reason for this fact exists than such citizens were not thought of when the judiciary article [III] of the federal Constitution was drafted.

... citizens of the United States... were also not thought of; but in any event a citizen of the United States, who is not a citizen of any state, is not within the language of the [federal] Constitution. - Pannill v. Roanoke, 252 F. 910, 914
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Old 06-21-2007, 08:18 PM
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Thanks for the info and charts.
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Old 06-21-2007, 08:26 PM
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Yep!!! Thanks a lot!
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Old 06-21-2007, 08:44 PM
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Yep!!! Thanks a lot!

You are still with this?

Thats what I call dedication to a cause!

But quick potshots are cheap and easy aren't they?
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Old 06-21-2007, 11:45 PM
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You are absolutely right, mrg. Dunce always come and goes in a hard beat. Gees!
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Old 06-22-2007, 10:48 PM
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That's what I call dunce marathon.
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Old 06-22-2007, 11:01 PM
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State Citizen vs State National

So what's the difference between a state Citizen and a state National?
Is one better than the other?

Does one need to expatriate to be either one?

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Old 06-22-2007, 11:52 PM
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One can only be a state citizen IF the body politic government is composed of those who have the singular state citizenship

Since this is not possible at this time, one can only claim state nationality

Expatriation under 8 USC 1483(a)(2) {along with alot of other tweaks} is the ticket
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Old 06-23-2007, 12:29 AM
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8 USC 1481(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

So is patriation enough? Or does one need to expatriate?
I am assumming that as one patriates(declares allegiance) that one is also expatriating.

What does "allegiance to a political subdivision" mean?
Is that the same as declaring allegiance to the Republic?

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Old 06-23-2007, 06:16 AM
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YOu want to do both to cover all bases

a foreign state is the dejure, pre-14th Amndmt body poliotic based off of any pre-1868 state constitution

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