What gives courts their authority? What stops you from starting your own?

Raptor13x · #1 12-30-2004, 01:07 PM

From where do the courts we face get their authority, and how is this different from an ordinary company stealing from our paychecks, creating a massive publicity scheme, and creating enforcement officers for stealing money from the citizenry?

What makes a court official? Do you have to get certified or something by the state/republic, or can any group of people just start up a common law court system, and hold trials for crimes, complete with punishment for wrongdoers?

What I'm really getting at is, what is necessary to create a common law court, as has been done in a few other states? I've heard something about just needing 30 or so sovereign Citizens to start up a common law court, and getting the militia to support them. How easy or how difficult is this and what hoops do we have to jump through? We should have at least 30 sovereign Citizens organized here in southeast Michigan before too long, and I intend to do everything in my power to ensure this tyranny we face is stopped. I think a common law court would be a big step along the way.

iamfreeru2 · #2 12-30-2004, 04:14 PM

I hear you Raptor. One of the problems I see in doing something like starting a common law court and having the militia back it, is that the militia since Waco and Oklahoma City Bombing have been keeping a very low profile. Can't blame them either with PA, PA2 and the new anti-terrorism bill that just past. The militias have been given a bad rap and have been vilified. Do not hear anything about them any longer because I guess they are underground. Too bad because they are the only Constitutional army we have.

B Rookard · #3 02-19-2005, 07:07 AM

What gives the Federal Courts the power is Article III generally. They are given "the judicial power."

Since they have the judicial power ... you do not have the judicial power and have no power to just create your own court. Furthermore, Congress is given the power to create other courts and tribunals ... Not you.

KITCHIE · #4 02-19-2005, 12:05 PM

Creating their own court is what Leroy Schwitzer and the FREEMEN did. Leroy is locked away and has been for several years. They also had their own currency. I might ad that according to Leroy's brother, who I see regularly, he has never been charged with anything. And this was before the U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. ACT.

kTICHIE

#5 02-19-2005, 03:38 PM

He's never been charged with anything, yet they have him in jail?? Gee, I didn't know they could do that.

#6 02-19-2005, 11:01 PM

Greetings B Rookard,

I find your response most interesting, especially considering the nature of this site. By any chance, would you care to upload your bar card?

It is the widespread acceptance of that belief that is the reason Leroy Michael is being held. And that belief system should not be tolerated and should be corrected at every attempt to further it.

Article III of WHAT? The Constitution? Oh, ho, ho, ho. Mah, hah, hah !!!
Ya, Right!!! It's old news, haven't you heard, "Athough the union survived the Civil War, the constitution DID NOT".

And that's straight from the mouth of one of your "purported" Article III judges.

Do you think the members and readers of this site just fell off a turnip truck, or perhaps one of those all-white box cars headed for parts unknown?

Well, me and MY court have made a judgment, and do hereby find you GUILTY of attempting to mislead and intimidate unsuspecting naive readers.

REPENT!!!

Sincerely,
truth

TheBlackTruth · #7 02-20-2005, 09:16 AM

I disagree.

The constitution is still in full force and effect. There are criminal cases involving constitutional questions winning in courts around the country every day.

I'm not exactly sure where this idea that 'the constitution is dead' came from, but it is unsubstantiated.

. . .And you don't have to have a BAR card to know that.

-BT

#8 02-20-2005, 10:14 AM

"The constitution is still in full force and effect. There are criminal cases involving constitutional questions winning in courts around the country every day."

Would you care to quote a few of those criminal cases in which the defendant,or plaintiff, won on a constitutional question.

"I'm not exactly sure where this idea that 'the constitution is dead' came from, but it is unsubstantiated."

And so is your claim that the constitution is alive. Please substantiate your claim. PROVE IT.

". . .And you don't have to have a BAR card to know that."

So, prove it.

B Rookard · #9 02-20-2005, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etyrnal

"The constitution is still in full force and effect. There are criminal cases involving constitutional questions winning in courts around the country every day."

Would you care to quote a few of those criminal cases in which the defendant,or plaintiff, won on a constitutional question.

"I'm not exactly sure where this idea that 'the constitution is dead' came from, but it is unsubstantiated."

And so is your claim that the constitution is alive. Please substantiate your claim. PROVE IT.

". . .And you don't have to have a BAR card to know that."

So, prove it.

Did you need a Bar card to determine that the Constitution is dead?

I suppose I need a degree in Astrophysics to know that the Sun rises in the East too.

Pick up the court reporters and you'll find all kinds of cases upholding constitutional rights.

#10 02-20-2005, 02:25 PM

"Did you need a Bar card to determine that the Constitution is dead?"

No, I never said I had a Bar card.

"I suppose I need a degree in Astrophysics to know that the Sun rises in the East too."

I didn't ask if the Sun rises in the East. I asked the Black Truth to provide court cases that prove her point, ie., that that there are all kinds of court cases upholding constitutional rights. Why don't YOU get the book and bring your proof to the table and quit your "foaming at the mouth"?