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Old 12-22-2005, 02:26 PM
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Umm, maybe I wasn't clear. I suggested being able to drink (legally, age 21) before registering for the draft, which is done by mail, so nobody actually sees the young man staggering around under the influence. But I don't recommend showing up for the draft exam in a condition that would be of interest to law enforcement.
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Old 12-22-2005, 02:55 PM
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Guess I misunderstood. However I think it would be better to have a misdemeanor on one's record rather than a felony.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:18 PM
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Gov. Draft: Conniving, Deceiving and Full of Tricks!

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This was put together by a friend of mine:

How to Avoid the Draft

If you care Please Let any Girl or Boy 17 to 50 have this information on how to Not Volunteer for the Draft or National Service.

Tricking you is another way the Government Avoids that Pesky 13th Amendment No slavery nor involuntary servitude, Constitution Problem.

Now if only there was a "Pearl Harbor" type of event to really pull this nation together...
Oh wait they tried that already!!

NO DODGING... JUST REFUSE TO VOLUNTEER... HERE'S HOW:

I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you HOW THE "DRAFT" works. I realize that most people THINK they know how it works, but in most cases they are in error! AND, you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.'

Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country when it is truly in danger is one thing. Having the courage to refuse to fight in immoral and/or unconstitutional "wars" is quite another matter, I believe. ICE No need to "dodge" the ball if they're not allowed to hit you with it, if you merely 'take your stand' and refuse to VOLUNTEER!

1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a certain date to a certain place where he receives his physical and mental tests...then he is classified with a number indicating whether he is A1(first called)...all the way down to 4F(unfit for duty).

2. Mr. .A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the military and to appear at a certain military base for that purpose on a date specified.

3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his arrest will be issued.

4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another brief physical and tests and then is told to "line up on the yellow line (painted on the floor).

5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the army (or whatever) to take one step forward...(Oh, oh, THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST "VOLUNTEERED!")This is done so that no one can "legally" claim they were "forced into involuntary servitude!" "RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I, (name) do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America and will defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me, so help me God."

6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW CLAIM THEY WERE"DRAFTED"... they stepped forward voluntarily and took the Oath voluntarily!

7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT STEP FORWARD AND THEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will probably say something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you know what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I AM NOT VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY... If you want me you must 'take me' against my will by force!"

8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the room...and the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments... at first...then, when nothing works to change his mind he will be called names and insulted, possibly even assaulted by one or more military people present there as witnesses.

9. IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the tormentors will give up and have him arrested on some charge. However, there is NO lawful way that they can MAKE him go into the military... because of the Constitutional prohibition against "involuntary servitude"... which is why NO ONE IS TRULY EVER "DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING![...]

weishaupt1776,

Your post reminds me of what my grandfather told me that he went through during World War II.

My grandfather was opposed to going to fight in the war, this was based on a personal and religous conviction. At some point he was picked up at his job, by two men in uniform, with guns on their hip.

My grandfather probably did not respond to any draft notice.

The two men escorted my grandfather to a nearby base for testing, similar to what you describe. In the early phase of the testing everyone (men only) was instructed to remove all of their clothes, fold them, and carry them. Most of the test were performed in the nude. He passed that medical portion of the test, and his paperwork was stamped "A1". He let the personnel know that he did not want to go to war even if he passed the test.

After the test, still nude, my grandfather was taken to a room with a military man, maybe he was a recruiter, he appeared to have some authority. My grandfather repeated that he did not intend to go to war. The military man asked him a number of questions, such as, what the nature of his objection was, was he willing to volunteer to take test as a objector based on conscience. My grandfather just said that he was not willing to volunteer for anything connected with the war.

At this point the military man instructed my grandfather to put on the army uniform that he placed in front of my grandfather, and the military man left the room. After sometime, the military man returned to see that my grandfather did not put on the uniform, and was still in the nude. My grandfather repeated that he did not intend to go to war, thus, refused to put the army uniform on.

Next the military man left the room for a short time. Upon his return he left the door to the room open, and the army nurses would come to the door and look at my grandfather in the nude. They would stare, wisper to each other, and point at him. This was at a time that this sort of public nudity was very embarrassing. This went on for awhile.

At the end of the day, military man told my grandfather to put his own clothes on, and he was sent home. That was the end of the affair! There was no formal notice or anything of that nature.
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Umm, maybe I wasn't clear. I suggested being able to drink (legally, age 21) before registering for the draft, which is done by mail, so nobody actually sees the young man staggering around under the influence. But I don't recommend showing up for the draft exam in a condition that would be of interest to law enforcement.

As a matter of policy, the military will always set its on post drinking age to match that of the location the facility is located in. Overseas posts are 18 by default!

As a side note, one can legally drink in Germany at 16. They have to wait til they're 18 to drive!
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