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Oh no! The DRAFT is back!
I have seen a few articles recently claiming the draft could be back soon, and&it has some&people are running around scared.
So I went to the source, the U.S. Congress ( http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...d108query.html|) and this is the information they have on the bill:
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<A name=summary><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono"> SUMMARY AS OF:
1/7/2003--Introduced.</FONT></A>
<A name=summary><FONT face="courier new, courier, mono">Universal National Service Act of 2003 - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense.</FONT>& </A>
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<FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, quiz time.
Let's assume you are an able-bodied, non-conscientious objector, between the age of 18 and 26. Since this act applies to both sexes, it does not appear that being a woman makes any difference. Let's also assume that this Act is enacted by Congress.
Question:
List two or more reasons why this Act does not apply to YOU.
Have fun,
Sui Juris</FONT>
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If so, there are no absolutes, and the only logical conclusion is that reality, truth, and right and wrong are determined arbitrarily on a daily basis by those with the most power, guns, and money, and the rest of us can choose to run, fight, or be their slaves.
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02-27-2004, 06:46 AM
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Re:Oh no! The DRAFT is back!
I am not a persom.
I do not reside in the United States.
Jim
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02-27-2004, 10:06 AM
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Re:Oh no! The DRAFT is back!
I don't think any of us qualify as a "U.S. citizen".
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02-27-2004, 10:13 AM
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Re:Oh no! The DRAFT is back!
That is three...
You only missed one - the word "obligation" is used and means there is a contract... show me the contract and prove it is not void due to lack of full disclosure, and a horde of other issues!
Regards,
Sui Juris
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When a statute, code, or court holding changes tomorrow, does reality change? Does truth change? Does right and wrong change?
If so, there are no absolutes, and the only logical conclusion is that reality, truth, and right and wrong are determined arbitrarily on a daily basis by those with the most power, guns, and money, and the rest of us can choose to run, fight, or be their slaves.
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02-27-2004, 12:52 PM
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Re:Oh no! The DRAFT is back!
Sui Juris,
do you really want to get into that discussion about all the hidden contracts that they have all over the place?&That is an easy way to get tripped up and lose jursidiction so,&why not just have them prove jurisdiction first?
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02-27-2004, 01:02 PM
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Re:Oh no! The DRAFT is back!
In regards to the above legal cite:
The 'U.S.' has complete and total jurisdiction over its <U>subjects</U>... therefore,&every U.S. citizen IS OBLIGATED.& (The master/slave relationship that the U.S. citizen has contracted into).
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03-05-2004, 11:18 PM
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Re:Oh no! The DRAFT is back!
Does beating the crap out of politicians count as "public service"?& Is so, I'll volunteer.
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02-21-2005, 04:35 AM
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HOW TO AVOID**THE DRAFT OR NATIONAL SERVICE
Posted By: monk January 16, 2005
source: http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com
I gave this information to my boys, 3 who are Prime Draft Bait age.
If you care, please pass this on to anyone of draft age (17 to 50) so they
have this information on how to NOT "volunteer" for the Draft or National
Service.
Tricking you is another way the Government avoids that pesky 13th Amendment
"No slavery nor involuntary servitude" constitutional Problem.
Now if only there was a "Pearl Harbor" type of event to really pull this
nation together...
Oh wait, they tried that already (9-11)!!
NO DODGING ? JUST REFUSE TO VOLUNTEER? HERE?S HOW:
I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you HOW THE "DRAFT" works. I
realize that most people THINK they know how it works, but in most cases
they are in error! AND, you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada
will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a
"smart border" declaration,"which could be used to keep would-be draft
dodgers in."
Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country, when it is truly in
danger is one thing.**Having the courage to refuse to fight in immoral
and/or unconstitutional corporate "wars" is quite another matter, I believe.
ICE
No need to "dodge" the ball if they're not allowed to hit you with it, if
you merely "take your stand" and refuse to VOLUNTEER!
1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a certain date
to a certain place where he receives his physical and mental tests...then he
is classified with a number indicating whether he is A1(first called)...all
the way down to 4F(unfit for duty).
2. Mr.A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the military and
to appear at a certain military base for that purpose on a date specified.
3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his arrest will be
issued.
4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another brief physical and
tests and then is told to "line up on the yellow line" (painted on the
floor).
5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the army (or
whatever)to take one step forward...(Oh, oh, All THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST
"VOLUNTEERED"!).**This is done so that no one can "legally" claim they were
"forced into involuntary servitude!" "RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR
ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I,
(name) do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
Constitution of the United States of America and will defend it against all
enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the orders of the President and
the officers appointed over me, so help me God."
6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW CLAIM THEY
WERE"DRAFTED"...they stepped forward voluntarily and took the Oath
voluntarily!
7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT STEP FORWARD
ANDTHEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will
probably say something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you
know what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I AM
NOTVOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...If you want me you must "take me"
against my will by force!"
8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the room...and
the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...at first...then, when
nothing works to change his mind he will be called names and insulted,
possibly even assaulted by one or more military people present there as
witnesses.
9.IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the tormentors
will give up and have him arrested on some charge.**However, there is NO
lawful way that they can MAKE him go into the military...because of the
Constitutional prohibition against "involuntary servitude"...which is why NO
ONE IS TRULY EVER "DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING!
D. R. Graham Ret. Sci. Instr. & Ret. Mil. Off'r, AUS
************************************************** ***************
Repeat
7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr.A and HE DID NOT STEP FORWARD
ANDTHEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will
probably say something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you
know what 'step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I AM NOT
VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...If you want me you must "take me"
against my will by force!"
8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the room...and
the Mr.B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...at first...then, when
nothing works to change his mind he will be called names and insulted,
possibly even assaulted by one or more military people present there as
witnesses.
One thing to say at this point is what the cops are coached to say on the
witness stand: "Am I ordered?"
If the recruiter says No, then obviously you're OK. If the recruiter says
Yes, then "By what authority do you, a military officer, order me, a
civilian?" If the recruiter says anything else, repeat the question until
you get Yes or No.
If the recruiter says "I order you by the authority of the United States
Government" then "Which clause of the Constitution gives you, a military
officer, to order me, a civilian?"
Another thing to say is: "Am I free to go?" If the recruiter saysYes, then
obviously leave. If the recruiter says No, then "Am I under arrest?**Am I
your prisoner?**Am I kidnapped? If I'm not free, then what am I?" and again,
keep repeating the question.
Another thing to say is: "I want an attorney."
Another thing to say is, of course, nothing at all. I think I would go with
"Am I free to go?" because if you get to Yes, then you can**leave and he
would look bad ordering an arrest.**If you ask the question three times and
don't get a yes or no, then "Well I must be free to go, because I asked you
three times and you won't tell me I'm not." Then I would slowly turn around
and leave, and if he keeps trying to interact I would just keep repeating
the question.
=== Here's an excerpt from a book:
The Army induction officer instructed the draftees to "take one step
forward" as their names were called, and said that step would signify their
induction into the Army. When reluctant Willie's name was called, he
answered present, but did not step forward. After the ceremony, he went home
instead of to camp.
When the Military Police came for him, he went to court for a writ of habeas
corpus to retain his freedom.
"The officer himself," Willie argued, "said the step forward is what would
make me a soldier. As I didn't take the step, I'm still a civilian and the
Army has no claim on me."
Counsel for the Army replied, "The Army isn't being run by childish games.
Willie and a hundred others appeared to be inducted, and he was inducted
before the whole group as any fool there could plainly see."
Willie retained his civilian status. The court ruled that the draft law
required some definite ceremony to transform a civilian into a soldier. As
the Army decided to have one step forward constitute the ceremony, and
Willie didn't take the step, he wasn't a soldier.
U. S. Court of Appeals, 1954
Posted By: monk January 16, 2005
source: http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com
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02-21-2005, 04:37 AM
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I Know, some say there won't be a draft, well just in case:
HOW TO AVOID**THE DRAFT OR NATIONAL SERVICE
Posted By: monk January 16, 2005
source: http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com
I gave this information to my boys, 3 who are Prime Draft Bait age.
If you care, please pass this on to anyone of draft age (17 to 50) so they
have this information on how to NOT "volunteer" for the Draft or National
Service.
Tricking you is another way the Government avoids that pesky 13th Amendment
"No slavery nor involuntary servitude" constitutional Problem.
Now if only there was a "Pearl Harbor" type of event to really pull this
nation together...
Oh wait, they tried that already (9-11)!!
NO DODGING ? JUST REFUSE TO VOLUNTEER? HERE?S HOW:
I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you HOW THE "DRAFT" works. I
realize that most people THINK they know how it works, but in most cases
they are in error! AND, you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada
will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a
"smart border" declaration,"which could be used to keep would-be draft
dodgers in."
Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country, when it is truly in
danger is one thing.**Having the courage to refuse to fight in immoral
and/or unconstitutional corporate "wars" is quite another matter, I believe.
ICE
No need to "dodge" the ball if they're not allowed to hit you with it, if
you merely "take your stand" and refuse to VOLUNTEER!
1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a certain date
to a certain place where he receives his physical and mental tests...then he
is classified with a number indicating whether he is A1(first called)...all
the way down to 4F(unfit for duty).
2. Mr.A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the military and
to appear at a certain military base for that purpose on a date specified.
3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his arrest will be
issued.
4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another brief physical and
tests and then is told to "line up on the yellow line" (painted on the
floor).
5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the army (or
whatever)to take one step forward...(Oh, oh, All THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST
"VOLUNTEERED"!).**This is done so that no one can "legally" claim they were
"forced into involuntary servitude!" "RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR
ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I,
(name) do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
Constitution of the United States of America and will defend it against all
enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the orders of the President and
the officers appointed over me, so help me God."
6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW CLAIM THEY
WERE"DRAFTED"...they stepped forward voluntarily and took the Oath
voluntarily!
7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT STEP FORWARD
ANDTHEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will
probably say something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you
know what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I AM
NOTVOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...If you want me you must "take me"
against my will by force!"
8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the room...and
the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...at first...then, when
nothing works to change his mind he will be called names and insulted,
possibly even assaulted by one or more military people present there as
witnesses.
9.IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the tormentors
will give up and have him arrested on some charge.**However, there is NO
lawful way that they can MAKE him go into the military...because of the
Constitutional prohibition against "involuntary servitude"...which is why NO
ONE IS TRULY EVER "DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING!
D. R. Graham Ret. Sci. Instr. & Ret. Mil. Off'r, AUS
************************************************** ***************
Repeat
7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr.A and HE DID NOT STEP FORWARD
ANDTHEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will
probably say something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you
know what 'step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I AM NOT
VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...If you want me you must "take me"
against my will by force!"
8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the room...and
the Mr.B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...at first...then, when
nothing works to change his mind he will be called names and insulted,
possibly even assaulted by one or more military people present there as
witnesses.
One thing to say at this point is what the cops are coached to say on the
witness stand: "Am I ordered?"
If the recruiter says No, then obviously you're OK. If the recruiter says
Yes, then "By what authority do you, a military officer, order me, a
civilian?" If the recruiter says anything else, repeat the question until
you get Yes or No.
If the recruiter says "I order you by the authority of the United States
Government" then "Which clause of the Constitution gives you, a military
officer, to order me, a civilian?"
Another thing to say is: "Am I free to go?" If the recruiter saysYes, then
obviously leave. If the recruiter says No, then "Am I under arrest?**Am I
your prisoner?**Am I kidnapped? If I'm not free, then what am I?" and again,
keep repeating the question.
Another thing to say is: "I want an attorney."
Another thing to say is, of course, nothing at all. I think I would go with
"Am I free to go?" because if you get to Yes, then you can**leave and he
would look bad ordering an arrest.**If you ask the question three times and
don't get a yes or no, then "Well I must be free to go, because I asked you
three times and you won't tell me I'm not." Then I would slowly turn around
and leave, and if he keeps trying to interact I would just keep repeating
the question.
=== Here's an excerpt from a book:
The Army induction officer instructed the draftees to "take one step
forward" as their names were called, and said that step would signify their
induction into the Army. When reluctant Willie's name was called, he
answered present, but did not step forward. After the ceremony, he went home
instead of to camp.
When the Military Police came for him, he went to court for a writ of habeas
corpus to retain his freedom.
"The officer himself," Willie argued, "said the step forward is what would
make me a soldier. As I didn't take the step, I'm still a civilian and the
Army has no claim on me."
Counsel for the Army replied, "The Army isn't being run by childish games.
Willie and a hundred others appeared to be inducted, and he was inducted
before the whole group as any fool there could plainly see."
Willie retained his civilian status. The court ruled that the draft law
required some definite ceremony to transform a civilian into a soldier. As
the Army decided to have one step forward constitute the ceremony, and
Willie didn't take the step, he wasn't a soldier.
U. S. Court of Appeals, 1954
Posted By: monk January 16, 2005
source: http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com
__________________
Quit Walking Around Like a Half Breed Freeman Find Out How
DOWNLOAD THIS COURSE NOW !!
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts
The whole system is based upon a 'presumption' that something was represented to have occurred which may or may not have occurred in the manner which has been represented.
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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro - Hunter S. Thompson
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02-21-2005, 05:09 AM
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Draft this...
Last year, over 33,000 so-called jobs were filled in draft board positions.
That is how they get on t.v. quoting the employment percentage of jobs is better. (they created the jobs)
Now... watch what happens this June of 2005, when the scheme take's effect?
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