Status of Persons

[Masterjacob]

I have a few questions here..

I am currently reading the red amendment by lb bork and he states in this book that a "national" - " means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state of from where you are born"

Q. I thought that the whole "Person" is what one tries to avoid? IE... i am a man on the land and not a person as a person is a fictional object created by STATES.

Wouldn't it be more precise to claim " I am a human/man on the land and my status id a ohio national?

Also i need some clearacle help on the ssn,driver license, birth cert. do***ents etc..
If one abandons his STATUS he does what with those contracts? and how are they nullified? IE you send the docs. in and say i don't want them and i don't agree to contract anymore?

Thanks in advance...

[PANICPASS]

Originally Posted by Masterjacob

I have a few questions here..

I am currently reading the red amendment by lb bork and he states in this book that a "national" - " means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state of from where you are born"

Q. I thought that the whole "Person" is what one tries to avoid? IE... i am a man on the land and not a person as a person is a fictional object created by STATES.

Wouldn't it be more precise to claim " I am a human/man on the land and my status id a ohio national?

Also i need some clearacle help on the ssn,driver license, birth cert. do***ents etc..
If one abandons his STATUS he does what with those contracts? and how are they nullified? IE you send the docs. in and say i don't want them and i don't agree to contract anymore?

Thanks in advance...

I think the statute is using the word 'person' in the everyday sense of the word, not in the statutory sense. But maybe you should check with Bork about that.

The contracts are nullified by canceling or voiding them. I presume Bork's paperwork does all that for you. I haven't see his paperwork, so I wouldn't know, and neither would anyone else if they haven't gone through the process.



4 Important PAC Articles:

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/Treason_by_Design.php

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/Suijuris_Status.php

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/Nationality_Premise.php

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/US_Citizen_Examined.php


Others that are good for further understanding:

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/14th_Section_2.php

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/Historical_Error.php

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/Criminal_Ignorance.php

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/The_Establishment.php

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/Citizen_...ted_States.php

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/Nationality_Examined.php

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/Some_Questions.php

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/Expatriation_Examined.php

[Masterjacob]

So it isn't as easy as say leaving all your id's in your wallet at home in a safe and claiming to any authority official you are John Doe (IE- First and Middle name)of a national?

[weishaupt1776]

As far as a "person owing allegiance to a state" pursuant to 8 USC 1101(a)(21), LB is taking on the approach that a State National ONLY declares allegiance to the dejure, PRE-14th Amendment Body politic (state).

In addition to declaring that allegiance, the process involves rebutting/cancelling, etc . . . the presumption that you are in the 14th Amendment Body politic

This is the capacity of a "person" that we choose to operate

"personhood" is only the propreitary capacity in which a man operates politically, legally, etc . "

The person found in statutes is the capacity of one who operates in the defacto 14th amendment body politic

[Masterjacob]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

As far as a "person owing allegiance to a state" pursuant to 8 USC 1101(a)(21), LB is taking on the approach that a State National ONLY declares allegiance to the dejure, PRE-14th Amendment Body politic (state).

In addition to declaring that allegiance, the process involves rebutting/cancelling, etc . . . the presumption that you are in the 14th Amendment Body politic

This is the capacity of a "person" that we choose to operate

"personhood" is only the propreitary capacity in which a man operates politically, legally, etc . "

The person found in statutes is the capacity of one who operates in the defacto 14th amendment body politic

Thus creates a lack of SMJ correct?

And how is that represented? IE without this defacto PERSON we will operate in a fasion that will not be hassle free... You are talking traveling in an auto that has no or self issued plates that will be questioned by any enforcement agent you come accross. In what mannor is this status appointed to the official as exempt and why would the be iclined to believe Me?

[Livefire]

Mary Croft stated in her ebook that she sent the Minister of Transportation (she lives in Canada) an Administrative Notice of her status (being a woman of the land) and challenged the presumption of being "person" subject to their administrative codes and the like. Upon default of the Notice it created a contract between them and she sent certified copies to the RCMP and the local constabulary.

One might send a certified copy of the status correction paperwork with accompanying notice to the DMV and local law enforcement offices that you will be travelling in a private capacity and not subject to administrative code. You should also carry a copy of that in your conveyance as well.

Weis...Im not trying to mix oranges and apples. Croft uses the redemption approach. It's always better to give proper notice of status correction to the authorities beforehand, instead of waiting to get busted! Any ideas or refinements of this would be appreciated.

[Masterjacob]

Originally Posted by Livefire

Mary Croft stated in her ebook that she sent the Minister of Transportation (she lives in Canada) an Administrative Notice of her status (being a woman of the land) and challenged the presumption of being "person" subject to their administrative codes and the like. Upon default of the Notice it created a contract between them and she sent certified copies to the RCMP and the local constabulary.

One might send a certified copy of the status correction paperwork with accompanying notice to the DMV and local law enforcement offices that you will be travelling in a private capacity and not subject to administrative code. You should also carry a copy of that in your conveyance as well.

Weis...Im not trying to mix oranges and apples. Croft uses the redemption approach. It's always better to give proper notice of status correction to the authorities beforehand, instead of waiting to get busted! Any ideas or refinements of this would be appreciated.

I can understand that reason as when comunicating rights an unanswered question is assumed to be a yes if silence is envoked thus the silence of non informing a change assumes voluntary...( if that makes any scense)

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[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by Masterjacob

Thus creates a lack of SMJ correct?

And how is that represented? IE without this defacto PERSON we will operate in a fasion that will not be hassle free... You are talking traveling in an auto that has no or self issued plates that will be questioned by any enforcement agent you come accross. In what mannor is this status appointed to the official as exempt and why would the be iclined to believe Me?

Well, they are not going to give you a "congratulations you figured it all out certificate"

It takes alot of hard work putting the right people on notice with the proper procedure substance, and hopefully alot of people doing it

If there a just a few people doing it, it makes no difference how right you are

[weishaupt1776]

Originally Posted by Masterjacob

Thus creates a lack of SMJ correct?

And how is that represented? IE without this defacto PERSON we will operate in a fasion that will not be hassle free... You are talking traveling in an auto that has no or self issued plates that will be questioned by any enforcement agent you come accross. In what mannor is this status appointed to the official as exempt and why would the be iclined to believe Me?

Well, they are not going to give you a "congratulations you figured it all out certificate"

It takes alot of hard work putting the right people on notice with the proper procedure , substance, and hopefully alot of people doing it

If there a just a few people doing it, it makes no difference how right you are

[Friendsplacect]

SHall we all go to the Courthouse and recruit victims of the system or just keep it amongst friends?