Your status according to the Code

[Ice]

Jerseee,


In one of the links that has been provided (somewhere in this vast ocean of info) there is a site that has info regarding "dual citizenship".& The truth is = there is no such thing as "dual citizenship".& You can only swear allegiance to one "nation" at a time.& If this is true - then you can really be no more than a "state citizen" because your state is a sovereign "nation".& Your "nation" has compacted with other "nations" under the Constitution and have united themselves to its principles, adopting is as "the law of the land".& Having granted certain powers to this "union" representatives does not take away from the fact that each state is a separate nation.


I believe that, instead of State ID's, there should be issued State Passports.& After all, if you cross state lines, you're entering a different nation.& It is my opinion that the states have given the union representatives a bit too much power.& The right to issue passports and conduct business with foreign powers should be retained by each state (and is, but does not seem to be taken advantage of or put to practical use).


But I'm getting away from the point... which is that "dual citizenship" is just another scam and, in reality, does not exist.& If it did, you would be a "U.S. citizen" from the "cradle to the grave" and there would be nothing you could do about it... or the burdens that come with being a slave of that federation.& If there were such a thing as "dual citizenship" the government would not have to go to any trouble to trick you into becoming a "U.S. citizen" through the use of the SS-5 or any other form.& You would already be one... why go to any trouble to have you admit (by trickery) that you are one?


In regards to the UCC filing - does your UCC paperwork spell out the details of your "citizenship status" in any way?& Or, does it just "stake a claim" to the STRAWMAN?& There is a big difference in claiming ownership of a commercial entity and claiming a certain citizenship status.


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[Jerseee]

Ice,


I didn't want the post to be too long but there is also mention on that site/publication that one can be both a US National and US citizen but not the other way around.


And to further my thought about the UCC1, you answered my question as far as commerce is concerned but, the issue that I would raise is not the commercial aspect of the form but the difference that the form publicizes.& The UCC1 filing documents the difference in black and white--there is no controversy according to the Secretary of State about who is who.& So wouldn't that evidence be a powerful weapon for the citizenship issue?


the STRAWMAN is the US citizen and the Secured Party is the US National.&

[Ice]

Unless you have documentation that demonstrates the "Creditor" listed on those UCC forms IS, IN FACT, a US NATIONAL... then citizenship status can still be assumed and presumed.


You are viewed as 2 entities, right?& Both of those entities are citizens of a nation... but without defining that, there will always be a presumption made on the part of the government.


I understand your point... but citizenship is not addressed within the UCC documents.& By addressing the citizenship issue separately you will give more weight to your UCC filing -- demonstrating the difference between you and STRAWMAN even more clearly - to a point that it cannot be contested in any way, by any means.& Defining your citizenship status will define the STRAWMAN as a "commercial creature" also, the fictional entity that you use in order to do business with the fictional government and other fictional entities.


Remember, your STRAWMAN is the one with the DL and the SS #.& You don't have one and are not required to have one, but you make use of his.& For instance, the SS # defines citizenship (U.S.).& But it isn't yours.& Now couple that with the fact that your citizenship is defined as "National" -- this fact&can also be&proof that the SS # isn't yours because the SS # belongs to a U.S citizen, the STRAWMAN.


Why not add more weight to the claims that you make in regards to the STRAWMAN?& How can any document be used as evidence in regards to any issue unless that issue is raised within those documents?& Citizenship is an issue that is not raised within the UCC&documents.& You must have the details spelled out for the jokers that we deal with because they don't deal in reality... they lean heavily on assumption and presumption... you must spell out every detail for them.


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[Ice]

Something to think about is the fact that all those documents that the STRAWMAN has, the DL, SS, etc., are not something that you really want anyway... right?


So, why lay claim to them at all?... even through the STRAWMAN?& If the point is to sever the "relationship" with that "fictional" world... why stake a claim to that "fictional" worlds documents?


Being an American National can actually kill the STRAWMAN.& You could bring them to the point that they will have to deal with the FLESH AND BLOOD MAN in every instance.& Get stopped by a cop... he has to deal with an American National that has the right to free travel, etc.& Answer these questions:& What limits can they impose on an American National??& What limits can they impose on a "UNITED STATES" citizen??


Why keep the STRAWMAN around?& Become an American National and kill STRAWMAN.& Force them to deal with YOU and not a "fictional" commercial creature.


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[Jerseee]

Ice,


I totally understand where you are coming from and where you are going but, how will the flesh and blood man be able to navigate through the fictional world of commerce if gold and silver has been outlawed/not accepted?


The only way to operate in these times are through our fictions.& This is that gray area where BB wants it both ways. That is how they say we are US citizens since we use benefits of such people--under duress of course.


Thinking of this situation keeps bringing me back to my UCC filing.& your thoughts....

[suijuris]

Why can't a flesh&blood AN (American National) act in commerce as needed, without being compelled to make use of "his" strawman?

If we accept the limitation that we MUST keep the strawman to survive, then what can our struggles to be free amount to? Have we obtained freedom, if we have no choice but to rely on the strawman?

I do not claim to have all the answers, but my instinct tells me that the flesh and blood cannot be free untill the mind is free, and until we get past the point where we limit our thinking to these boundaries.

Just my two cents...
Sui Juris

[Jerseee]

Sui Juris,


Good outlook.& Even with that view point--the presumption&and assumption is still there.& This is where we are left hanging.& I wouldn't want to expat. and be without a functional government (be a stateless sovereign).& Furthermore, when I initiate this process of expatriation--what would be the ramifications to my commercial person?


Ice, should there be something in our expat documents that reserves/preserves our security interest in the STRAWMAN?


Its hard to fathom why it would be difficult to get a Certificate of Noncitizenship since they have a monopoly on how society operates commercially.& thoughts

[Ice]

If you were living in Germany, what money would you use?& Have you ever heard the expression "When in Rome..."??


As an American National you have a responsibility to OBEY THE LAW ... and to make sure that others OBEY THEIR LAW as well.& Being a sovereign is much different then being in that poor and lowly position that the "U.S. citizen" holds.& They have bound themselves to many more restrictions than you and I.


As far as "money" is concerned, you can use whatever methods are available, by law, yours or theirs (law, that is).& I would suggest that you acquire silver and gold... on a consistent and continual basis.


You already have the STRAWMAN situation under control.& That cannot/does not change when you assert your correct citizenship status to those that have made a faulty assumption.


As for the Certificate... I have been having second thoughts on that issue.& Jim and I have been discussing this very issue... Jim has found something interesting regarding this issue... we'll be doing a bit more research and fill in the members as we go along... so stay tuned in.


I am going to suggest that a correction be made in regards to your Passport - FIRST... before all else.& And those that do not have a Passport, I suggest getting one.& Make sure your citizenship status is noted correctly.& I&believe that this will&become your "papers" if the Gestapo should come calling.& I am not saying that the attempt to acquire those documents should not be made... by all means, go for it!& We definitely want them to know how many of us there are that are aware of this.& And please fill us all in when/if any responses are received.


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[suijuris]

Yes, I can recommend doing the passport app, it is not difficult at all. Since I already had one that was good for a number of years, I explained that there were errors on my origonal application that I had just come to realize had negative legal affects.

I told the passport application lady this, and she asked what those errors were... I told her that the main errors were relating to my citizenship status, that I needed to correct my passport application to indicate that I was an American National, as I am not a U.S. citizen. I explained that on my previous application I had selected the "U.S. citizen" option re my citizenship because the correct option was not available and I did not realize the legal implications this carried.

The passport lady told me that my passport would still read the same, and that there would be no difference in appearance on my new passport. I told here that I was aware of this fact, and explained once again that the purpose was to update the application, for legal reasons. She took that attitude that she did not want to process the application, but I pressed her, making it clear that I knew my rights and would not leave.

So she gets on the phone with a superiour (I suppose the Dept. of State) and explained the situation quite accurately (she was actually listening!). After explaining, she listened for a little bit, and was obviously being told to process the application.

So she returned and stated that the passport would look the same as the last, did I still want to proceed? I said yes, I knew that, and still wanted to proceed.

She then proceeded to do her duty without futher objections, and less than two weeks later I recieved my new passport & my old passport marked canceled.

PS: The passport application did not bear a SSN anywhere... and not one remark was made by the passport lady regarding this.

[Ice]

ah-ha!


So... you're all set if the Gestapo stops you and asks: "Your papers, please."& !!!!


Great Job.


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